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Why Do So Many On INGO Hate HOA's?
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Is this an admission that not enough folks actually do want to get rid of their HOA? If there are not enough that want to at least neuter the HOA in any neighborhood, ever heard of one, is there any evidence other than opinion polls or feelings?
When it takes 75 - 80% vote to change the covenants, no. The 14% sycophants can win as long as there is some help with a few of the indifferent. We've been through this already though. If it were a simple majority vote, yeah, HOA would lose.
If as many hated HOA’s wouldn’t there be some neighborhoods that would do it and we would hear about it? You guys sound like democrats railing against the Electoral College…
No. I mean, in some neighborhoods the association just eventually peters out like a limp ****. But, according to the polling I posted several pages ago, only 14% of residents are HOA sycophants. 60-ish % don't like HOA's. And the rest are indifferent. HOA covenants usually can't be altered with a simple majority. In my neighborhood back in the day, it took something like 75 or maybe 80%. We've gone over this before, Mike. Are you being deliberately obtuse?
If things were purely market driven, where homeowners got what they wanted, you'd see people's preferences play out in the numbers, and that's just not what we see. Other articles have been posted in this thread that shows consistency in the preferences, that a clear majority of people prefer not to live in neighborhoods with HOA's.
As I pointed out before there are multiple markets at work, not just one. What the developers themselves want is one market, what new home buyers want is another, and what resale buyers want is yet another.
If we believe that 52% of homeowners do not have a home in an HOA, as has been posted here, and most of them probably do not want an HOA, shouldn’t it really be just what the owners of a home in an HOA believe to get to the truth of the matter. Adding in the 52% skews the numbers.
Nonsense. The one that matters is home owners. I don't give a **** about the developers' market where they fix things to **** over home owners, because they have the power. I gave you the stats. Only 14% of the public want HOA's, so if 80% of new homes are HOA, that's clearly not home-owners driving that market, and you know it. You just want to keep that retarded dream alive that developers can solve your problem with people who want to work on their cars on their own property. And maybe a bit of needing the grass to be a certain height.
Is it the case that people just self-sort into HOA/non-HOA? Do you have any data that would support that? Something like 85% of new homes are in neighborhoods with HOA's. 80% of the homes on the market in a subdivision have HOA's. Given the stats, this is not by popular demand. The consumers aren't demanding HOA's. They live in them because there is little other choice.
You are distorting the data by taking one subset and basing everything on it. People that live in an HOA are those whose opinions matter, not those that o not want an HOA. Yes, folks do self sort, you guys admit to doing just that. Let’s see what the data, where you got the 14% from says about those that live in an HOA.
“While many people living in HOA neighborhoods say they would prefer not to, more strongly or somewhat approve (58%) than disapprove (32%) of how the HOA in their neighborhood is governed. And more say they love or like living in a neighborhood with an HOA (54%) than say they hate or dislike it (34%).”
Hmm, more approve and more say they like it, no wonder you cannot get those votes passed. It also indicates that even your straight up vote would not pass many times.
Residential rules: How Americans view HOAs and their influence | YouGov
Despite the public's qualms regarding HOAs, one in five Americans currently live in an HOA-governed community, and one in three have lived in one at some point.
today.yougov.com
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“A LendingTree survey found 57% of HOA members said it has made their lives easier.”
“Even so, 63% said they felt their HOA fees were fairly priced for the benefits they receive.”
wtop.com
“Even so, 63% said they felt their HOA fees were fairly priced for the benefits they receive.”
New survey reveals how homeowners feel about HOAs - WTOP News
Roughly a third of homeowners, either in houses or condos, are in a homeowners association, and a recent survey finds most like it, even though the fees can be a source of frustration.
wtop.com
Come on Mike, that's gotta beA LendingTree survey found 57% of HOA members said it has made their lives easier.
New survey reveals how homeowners feel about HOAs - WTOP News
Roughly a third of homeowners, either in houses or condos, are in a homeowners association, and a recent survey finds most like it, even though the fees can be a source of frustration.
“According to independent research conducted for the CAI by IBOPE Zogby International, seven out of 10 people who live under owner associations are happy with their communities. Only 8 percent expresses some level of discontent, while 22 percent were neither satisfied nor dissatisfied. The survey was taken in 2012, and the result is strikingly similar to studies by Zogby in 2005, 2007 and again in 2009.”
www.newhomesource.com
Living in the HOA: Most Home Owners Like Their Home Owner Association - NewHomeSource.com
A recent study found that those who have a home owners association are happy with their community, citing HOA rules as a way to protect property values.
Apparently INGO trusts polls Soooo much that they use them as evidence people hate HOA’s so if they are evidence let’s see more of it. I bet there will be something wrong with evidence that does not conform to their bias.
Some Of The Most Surprising Data This Year Shows Most People Don't Hate Their HOA
A well-told saying holds that if you don’t like your homeowners association (HOA), get on the board. But those who don’t have the time or the political chops to get on their HOA board will have to live with their decisions, typically with very little they can do to fight their edicts...
I find a surprisingly large amount of the population to be upset or pissed off at any given moment, is that taken into account on surveys? I'm thinking RBF...“According to independent research conducted for the CAI by IBOPE Zogby International, seven out of 10 people who live under owner associations are happy with their communities. Only 8 percent expresses some level of discontent, while 22 percent were neither satisfied nor dissatisfied. The survey was taken in 2012, and the result is strikingly similar to studies by Zogby in 2005, 2007 and again in 2009.”
Living in the HOA: Most Home Owners Like Their Home Owner Association - NewHomeSource.com
A recent study found that those who have a home owners association are happy with their community, citing HOA rules as a way to protect property values.
And this study blows up another line of INGO BS
“In the U.S., nearly 60% of recently built single-family houses, and 80% of houses in new subdivisions, are part of a homeowners association (HOA). We construct the first near-national map of HOAs using publicly recorded mortgage records for single-family homes. We use these data to document the growth and characteristics of HOAs as well as to examine their relationship with housing prices. We find that houses in HOAs have prices that are on average at least 4%, or $13,500, greater than observably similar houses outside of HOAs.”
“In the U.S., nearly 60% of recently built single-family houses, and 80% of houses in new subdivisions, are part of a homeowners association (HOA). We construct the first near-national map of HOAs using publicly recorded mortgage records for single-family homes. We use these data to document the growth and characteristics of HOAs as well as to examine their relationship with housing prices. We find that houses in HOAs have prices that are on average at least 4%, or $13,500, greater than observably similar houses outside of HOAs.”
These posters in the INGO echo chamber do not realize they are in the minority though they sincerely believe they are not. It is why they scoff at the suggestion that the markets show them wrong, they are locked into their bias and cling to some internet survey that has to have been cited over 100 times in this thread. A behavior some of the same posters would quickly call out in the political threads.
As for your question I want to answer with a question, what percentage of people are mad at their phone or computer daily and would reply they hate their phone or computer on a given day but likely would answer differently on another day?
Forbes cites some of the data already posted but makes some interesting observations:
HOAs help maintain home value. “Living in an area with an HOA can help you maintain the value of your home,” Channel says. Those strict HOA rules can lead to a lot of nice curb appeal. When potential buyers come to see your home, they’ll also take the state of your neighborhood into consideration. A potential increase in value is a huge benefit of homeownership.
More peace of mind. Belonging to an HOA can make it so you sleep a bit easier at night. Channel explained, “It can also provide you with the peace of mind that comes with knowing that your neighbors probably aren’t going to do anything crazy, like regularly throwing all-night parties or painting their home bright pink. Anyone who’s had nightmare neighbors in the past knows how valuable HOA protections can be.
Get ready for strict rules. “HOAs aren’t for everyone, and people who aren’t particularly concerned with regularly mowing their lawn or who want to maximize their freedom to do with their home what they please should probably avoid them,” warns Channel. “If you want more freedom and have big plans like elaborate landscaping or adding an extension to your home, an HOA may not be the right fit. Talk to your real estate agent to learn more about the rules that will apply to you if you buy a home that belongs to an HOA.”
www.forbes.com
HOAs help maintain home value. “Living in an area with an HOA can help you maintain the value of your home,” Channel says. Those strict HOA rules can lead to a lot of nice curb appeal. When potential buyers come to see your home, they’ll also take the state of your neighborhood into consideration. A potential increase in value is a huge benefit of homeownership.
More peace of mind. Belonging to an HOA can make it so you sleep a bit easier at night. Channel explained, “It can also provide you with the peace of mind that comes with knowing that your neighbors probably aren’t going to do anything crazy, like regularly throwing all-night parties or painting their home bright pink. Anyone who’s had nightmare neighbors in the past knows how valuable HOA protections can be.
Get ready for strict rules. “HOAs aren’t for everyone, and people who aren’t particularly concerned with regularly mowing their lawn or who want to maximize their freedom to do with their home what they please should probably avoid them,” warns Channel. “If you want more freedom and have big plans like elaborate landscaping or adding an extension to your home, an HOA may not be the right fit. Talk to your real estate agent to learn more about the rules that will apply to you if you buy a home that belongs to an HOA.”
63% Of Members In A Homeowner Association Say They’re Priced Fairly, But Fees Are Rising
If you want to start a hot debate at your next dinner party, ask everyone their thoughts about homeowner associations.
www.forbes.com
The march toward 5000 posts continues. Mike has at least posted some surveys supporting his position. Still refuses to accept that HOAs are a self fulfilling prophecy. It's simply a matter of time. What the people want be damned, they aren't the supermajority.
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