Re-Elect the President?

[Classic Liberal]

I'm amazed at the liberals who profess to be gun enthusiasts. What's next, polar bears in favor of global warming?

Try joining The Liberal Gun Club and try talking sense wuth them...

 

[LEaSH]

If everyone wasn't so scared of losing, I guarantee a Johnson win.

As it happens, people are more worried about what they might lose, than they are optimistic about what they might gain.

Sad world...

If people truly valued their children's' future, they would not attempt to perpetuate the GOP foist.

Thank god for the ME generation.

 

[Ted]

Your original statement was that a vote for anyone other than Romney is, in fact, a vote FOR Obama.

My statement was, if I chose any drink other than Coca-Cola then that is, in fact, a choice favoring Pepsi, even though I chose water in reality, which clearly, in no way whatsoever, supports Pepsi, since it's water from my faucet.

The meaning of the statement wasn't changed at all. What you are saying is that, between choice A, B, and C, choosing anything other than B is actually choosing A, which isn't only dishonest, it's idiotic, since one is still able to choose C without choosing A. Clearly, even to someone named Ted, I have now demonstrated that your statement is false and illogical. You're getting caught up in the emotions of politics. I'm showing you math.

I even used representative colors in my rewording. Pepsi Blue for Obama, Coca-Cola red for Romney, and clear water for Johnson, because no one can tell he's even there.

In the last 56 Presidential elections, how many third party/no party/independent party candidate have succeeded in garnering enough electoral votes to become president?

------Uh, yeah. The answer is 1. George Washington in 1788 and 1792. And in 1788, there were no political parties on the ticket.

When was the last time a third party/no party/independent party candidate succeeded in garnering even 1 electoral vote?

-----Libertarian candidate, John Hospers in the 1972 Presidential race.

Pragmatically and historically, the choice is between the major party candidates....despite your math theory. An election is about people and votes, and not so much math......unless you're speaking of money.

 

[KJQ6945]

Try joining The Liberal Gun Club and try talking sense wuth them...

I don't think it's really my crowd, but thanks. If I ever decide to let my vote contradict my personal views and common sense, I'll keep them in mind.

 

[ATOMonkey]

In the last 56 Presidential elections, how many third party/no party/independent party candidate have succeeded in garnering enough electoral votes to become president?

------Uh, yeah. The answer is 1. George Washington in 1788 and 1792. And in 1788, there were no political parties on the ticket.

When was the last time a third party/no party/independent party candidate succeeded in garnering even 1 electoral vote?

-----Libertarian candidate, John Hospers in the 1972 Presidential race.

Pragmatically and historically, the choice is between the major party candidates....despite your math theory. An election is about people and votes, and not so much math......unless you're speaking of money.

Yeah, that Republican party will never gain traction. Just vote Whig. A Republican vote is just a vote for the Democrats.

 

[Classic Liberal]

I don't think it's really my crowd, but thanks. If I ever decide to let my vote contradict my personal views and common sense, I'll keep them in mind.

Ha...explains why I cannot vote for Romney.

 

[Ted]

I don't think it's really my crowd, but thanks. If I ever decide to let my vote contradict my personal views and common sense, I'll keep them in mind.

Ha...explains why I cannot vote for Romney.

A contradiction of common sense also explains why a lot of people will still proxy vote for Obama, via a third party candidate.

 

[KJQ6945]

A contradiction of common sense also explains why a lot of people will still proxy vote for Obama, via a third party candidate.

Amen!

Several people on here seem to be under the impression that voting for a third party will absolve them from all responsibility. "Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson."

Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. If somebody is blind enough to the reality, that they insist on voting third party, THEY deserve what they get. The problem is we'll all end up with Obama.

 

[Classic Liberal]

A contradiction of common sense also explains why a lot of people will still proxy vote for Obama, via a third party candidate.

Talk about a contradiction to common sense...what do you call repeating the same action, yet expecting different results?

Or, are you really expecting anything different from Romney than you got from Bush?

Those supporting a vote for Romney to rid us of Obama, rather than specify how bad we would be with a second term, tell me what I would benefit from a Romney presidency? What liberties will be restored? What portion of government will be reduced? What exactly is the benefit of having Romney as the next POTUS?

 

[EvilBlackGun]

Having NO idea on how to start a new thread ...

... I'll jump this one, bear up under the knuckle-rapping I'll get, and ask: What is the difference between closed-bolt and open-bolt actions? I tried searching FAQ and got worse than gibberish : " controls allow you to quickly and easily enter vBcode into your posts and messages. To use them, simply click the appropriate buttons " " the lists to enter vBcode.
"three editor modes available: Basic, Standard and Enhanced mode. " Yeah, so!!?? [[ That's O.K. if I didn't need to be in FAQ anyway!! ]] " highlight the text you wish to modify and press the appropriate button. This will place the proper vBcode tags around the selected text. Pressing a button while not having any selected text, will insert vBcode tags at your cursor. You may then enter your text between the tags."
SO: How do I mark a post with a flag, and what is the difference between the bolts?
Thank you. EBG

 

[KJQ6945]

Talk about a contradiction to common sense...what do you call repeating the same action, yet expecting different results?

Or, are you really expecting anything different from Romney than you got from Bush?

Those supporting a vote for Romney to rid us of Obama, rather than specify how bad we would be with a second term, tell me what I would benefit from a Romney presidency? What liberties will be restored? What portion of government will be reduced? What exactly is the benefit of having Romney as the next POTUS?

Classic liberal,
It's a crap shoot, I can admit that. Here's how I'm looking at it.

1.)Three guys running for the office, two of them are capable of being elected, the third doesn't stand a chance.

2.) The two viable candidates remaining.
Obama, in my opinion, hates this country and everything it stands for. He idolized his father and his values. Those values are 180 degrees from my own.

Romney is a business man. He has been very successful. (that doesn't make me mad) He became successful because of his determination and desire to succeed. His values and respect for this country are way closer to mine.

If you truly believe Johnson is electable, walk down main st USA and ask 100 people who the third candidate is. You won't be able to get 50 people that can name him.

 

[EvilBlackGun]

POTUS "Christian" vs POTUS "Moslem"

With at least three SCOTUS chairs to be filled in the next four years, whom would you like to be choosing those personalities? Plus, we are in a Religious war, have been since ≈600AD, and ~WE~ are the final patriotic generation who will be able to win it. The inertia of births in Moslem countries vs the death rate in "Christian" countries (to Islam, ANY RELIGION that is not Islam is pagan or Christian) is about to tip in Islam's favor, and our dissipation of patriotism is being rushed along by unfriendly imports from our south whose god is their belly and whose allegiance is to Uncle Sugar at the welfare office or Sam Walton. You have three options: (1)vote right, get your soul/mind/gut right, and zero in on center-mass out to 1,000 yards, buy Claymores every time you see them on sale; (2)"Make friendly" with as many enemy as you think you can feed for awhile, as you prepare to slit their throats before they do yours; (3)Do nothing and hope for your family's deaths to happen by YOUR hand rather than that of the white slaver who knows exactly where you live. All you need is a knife. As for the post-election results, we can still shake the Senate by the scrotum and get more of what we want through them. Romney is ot more than a figure-head, and he does believe in America a LOT more than Ø does, even though BOTH religions of the front-runners i funky. Puhleeze, DON'T blame it all on Bush again! Your white strip is showing and we had your scent a mile back ! ! ! ! EBG

Talk about a contradiction to common sense... are you really expecting anything different from Romney than you got from Bush? Those supporting a vote for Romney to rid us of Obama, rather than specify how bad we would be with a second term, tell me what I would benefit from a Romney presidency? What liberties will be restored? What portion of government will be reduced? What exactly is the benefit of having Romney as the next POTUS?

 

[.45 Dave]

They've been trying to have a third party in this country since the early 1800s. What always happens is that the third party siphons off votes from the main party that most closely has the same or similar values and the other party gets elected. It's happened over and over and some will just not learn from history.
In this case the Libertarian and the Republican are the closest two, so what could happen is that the Libertarians will take away Republican votes and Obama gets re-elected.
If that happens you can thank the Libertarians for standing by their principles--sort of like Col. Nickolson in Bridge on the River Kwai who thought he was helping his men by building the bridge when he was actually helping the enemy. We can only hope the the Libertarians, like the Colonel, will come the their senses in the last minute.
Best line in that movie was "What have I done!?"

 

[Ted]

... I'll jump this one, bear up under the knuckle-rapping I'll get, and ask: What is the difference between closed-bolt and open-bolt actions? I tried searching FAQ and got worse than gibberish : " controls allow you to quickly and easily enter vBcode into your posts and messages. To use them, simply click the appropriate buttons " " the lists to enter vBcode.
"three editor modes available: Basic, Standard and Enhanced mode. " Yeah, so!!?? [[ That's O.K. if I didn't need to be in FAQ anyway!! ]] " highlight the text you wish to modify and press the appropriate button. This will place the proper vBcode tags around the selected text. Pressing a button while not having any selected text, will insert vBcode tags at your cursor. You may then enter your text between the tags."
SO: How do I mark a post with a flag, and what is the difference between the bolts?
Thank you. EBG

It appears that EBG is off his meds again.

 

[findingZzero]

Will the 20 Obama supporters (so far) wanna get together at my place and have some non alcoholic beer, brie, sushi, and arugula? I can show you my brand new Birkenstocks and then we can smoke some dope and talk socialism or whatever. I have some great non tobacco stogies and a pleasant $4 Trader Joe's Sauvgnon Blanc. I also want to run my new version of 'Kumbai (by) ya.

Later, under cover of darkness, in the basement, we can plot against the other 90% of INGO members. Keep this to yourselves, there are a lot of crazies running around here.......

 

[Classic Liberal]

Classic liberal,
It's a crap shoot, I can admit that. Here's how I'm looking at it.

1.)Three guys running for the office, two of them are capable of being elected, the third doesn't stand a chance.

2.) The two viable candidates remaining.
Obama, in my opinion, hates this country and everything it stands for. He idolized his father and his values. Those values are 180 degrees from my own.

Romney is a business man. He has been very successful. (that doesn't make me mad) He became successful because of his determination and desire to succeed. His values and respect for this country are way closer to mine.

If you truly believe Johnson is electable, walk down main st USA and ask 100 people who the third candidate is. You won't be able to get 50 people that can name him.

Ok, you lost me now...that did not address my post, I'll ask again...

Those supporting a vote for Romney to rid us of Obama, rather than specify how bad we would be with a second term, tell me what I would benefit from a Romney presidency? What liberties will be restored? What portion of government will be reduced? What exactly is the benefit of having Romney as the next POTUS?
I'm not asking about a comparison of Romney & Obama...

 

[KJQ6945]

Ok, you lost me now...that did not address my post, I'll ask again...

Those supporting a vote for Romney to rid us of Obama, rather than specify how bad we would be with a second term, tell me what I would benefit from a Romney presidency? What liberties will be restored? What portion of government will be reduced? What exactly is the benefit of having Romney as the next POTUS?
I'm not asking about a comparison of Romney & Obama...

My deepest apologies. Loan me your crystal ball and I'll answer your questions.
Life is full of uncertainties, it's possible that Romney will be as bad as Obama.
No one knows for sure what will happen, but we know a few things for certain.

You stand as much chance getting elected as Johnson or Paul.

Obama is attempting to fundamentally change this country.

I'll go with the logical choice.

 

[Ted]

Ok, you lost me now...that did not address my post, I'll ask again...

Those supporting a vote for Romney to rid us of Obama, rather than specify how bad we would be with a second term, tell me what I would benefit from a Romney presidency? What liberties will be restored? What portion of government will be reduced? What exactly is the benefit of having Romney as the next POTUS?
I'm not asking about a comparison of Romney & Obama...

"Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

GOP candidate Ronald Reagan posed that same question to the American people in 1980 when debating then-President Jimmy Carter. Its the same question that we should be asking of President Obama.

Would anybody have been able to foretell with certainty of the benefit of a Reagan presidency? Or which liberties would be restored? Or which portion of the government that would be reduced? What could anybody tell anyone , with certainty, of the benefit of having Reagan as the next POTUS?

 

[upalot]

Just my point of view, The right keeps stepping on the dicks, Last election I was ready to vote for republican and then he screwed up and picked a VP that I just could not get behind at all, again this time around I was really warming up to Mitt when he picks a VP that is so far right I just can't bring myself to vote for the pair, again this is just my take but I have talked to several others that feel the same.

 

[jayhawk]

Honestly, I'm not sure I can vote for Romney. I'm not at all convinced that he would do less damage than our current president, and the list of his top campaign contributors reinforces the doubts I have about him.

Top Contributors to Mitt Romney | OpenSecrets

and for reference:
Top Contributors to Barack Obama | OpenSecrets

That said, it seems very likely that Indiana will be back to red this year. So, our (IN residents) EC votes will likely go Romney.