I 65 Ticket

[sig-guy]

Semi on topic.. I have a friend whose daughter was fired from her job for not coming in this morning..

Would like to know the company who did this... that's complete BS and I would like to steer clear from their operations.

 

[Smokepole]

For those that are looking for documentation of "Snow Emergency" ordinances here is Hamilton county's:

Hamilton County Ordinance 8-20-8-5
Weather or Other Related Road Closures

(a) Upon determination that travel on all or part of the roads in Hamilton County may cause a substantial risk to life and/or property, the County Commissioners may declare a local emergency, including a weather related emergency, and may issue an order to close all, or a portion of, county roads to public travel. During the declared emergency closure, the affected roads may or may not be signed for closure and/or barricaded. All roads ordered closed will remain closed until further declaration of the County Commissioners.

(b) Upon order of the Commissioners to close all, or a portion of, county roads:

(1) The Sheriff shall notify the following:
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a. The current list of emergency management media contacts.
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b. All the county communication centers.
c. County Emergency Management Agency

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(2) Travel on closed county roads is prohibited during a declared emergency closure unless the traveling individuals are:
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a. Public safety employee of state or local government performing their duties;
b. Health care providers traveling to, from, or in the course of their employment;
c. Private persons performing road-clearing, or private snow removal provided that they do not impede or
interfere with highway snow removal crews or other emergency personnel;
d. Persons restoring utility service;
e. Traveling for any other purpose allowed by Indiana Code.​

(c) The operation of a snowmobile is allowed on a county road closed due to snow provided that the operation does not impede or interfere with highway snow removal crews or other emergency personnel.

(d) A person who violates this section shall be guilty of an infraction and may be fined up to $2,500.00.

Link: Hamilton County, Indiana / Snow Emergencies

I think most are similar but they seem to follow similar parameters.

 

[Bill B]

If you know the interchange, you know that there are two ramps to I65 north from route 30. One from eastbound 30 and one from westbound 30. By locating a trooper at the top of the ramp from westbound 30, he could catch anyone entering from either ramp.
Having said that, I agee that the entire situation reeks of jack wagonry.

 

[sig-guy]

I would have run from him if in 4x4......them cruisers stand no chance in weather like this

Have you missed their new 4x4's? Don't know what this cop was driving, but their are some pretty bad ass 4x4's being driven by cops these days.

 

[sig-guy]

Indygunworks you pay 57% too, just figure up your payroll taxes you pay out of your check and multiply it by 2 because your employer can't employ you without matching the tax he takes out for you.

False, he has to match the SS part only.

 

[sepe]

And Gravy.....

How about chicken fried bacon with your choice of gravy? Cream gravy or sausage gravy...I'm going with the sausage gravy.

 

[sig-guy]

By locating a trooper at the top of the ramp.

By this action, the Tropper then endangered the drivers life, by having them drive down a ramp. Which to my knowledge, is also illegal no matter what the weather conditions may be at the time.

 

[RedneckReject]

How about chicken fried bacon with your choice of gravy? Cream gravy or sausage gravy...I'm going with the sausage gravy.

I'm still full from dinner but I want this now

 

[actaeon277]

Hello everyone, I'm back.
Just got home from my 33 hour shift.

I'll try to better on my typing. Tired and a tablet were not working out together.
I'm still making mistakes, but easier to see and correct.

Trip back home.
Some emergency, I ran my cell phone as a recorder so I could keep up. I thought I could just count in my head, but the streets were busy. So much for the emergency.
This was down Broadway.

Anyway.
in 8 miles, 18-20 minute trip. 11:15 PM to just after 11:30 PM.
75 cars on the road. This is cars on the road, pulling on or off. Doesn't include people in parking lots at open businesses.

Of those 75, 1 was a police, 1 was a tow truck with car, and 1 was a pickup truck with snow blower.

16 businesses open.
I wasn't recording at first, so I can't remember a couple. But of the 16, there were
7 gas stations.
2 payday loan
1 bail bondsman
1 BBQ/Ribs
1 Sharks (fish)
1 White Castle

 

[actaeon277]

How about chicken fried bacon with your choice of gravy? Cream gravy or sausage gravy...I'm going with the sausage gravy.

Now you're just showing off.

 

[swany11]

I'm guessing he was also watching for people already on the Interstate.

Wow...that's some BS. It would've been better for the officer to block the on-ramp vs setting up a ticket trap.

 

[CHCRandy]

Salt with Calcium chloride helped us out even if cold.....go look at some of the places we plowed and we got down to pavement with salt/calcium.........with no traffic. It just takes a bunch of it....put it on scrape it off and repeat. Just government don't like wasting the money for us peasants.

In all fairness.....perhaps traffic causes problems in a snow like this. I could see how it melts, traffic could pack before plow scrapes. Normally traffic will assist in thawing, but this may have been different. I have been in snow and ice removal business for 20 years......this was a pain. Tore up a lot of equipment.

 

[stephen87]

Drove to Columbus from IndIanapolis today. Took me 10-15 minutes longer than usual. Once I hit Whiteland, they shut down I65 notth from US31 to Whiteland Rd. State police were blocking entrance ramps and directing people off of the interstate, I still passed 3 cars that did not exit. Some closure.

 

[hornadylnl]

 

[1911 nut]

I live in Jasper County, we get a call from the Sheriffs Dept. whenever there is any sort of emergency.It says on the pre-recorded message, if you are caught violating the no travel order for any reason other than an emergency you will get a 500.00 ticket.

 

[churchmouse]

How about chicken fried bacon with your choice of gravy? Cream gravy or sausage gravy...I'm going with the sausage gravy.

Put me down for sausage gravy as well.....with a side order of sausage gravy....Oh yeah.

 

[HoughMade]

OP?

 

[jamil]

It is my understanding that the argument goes something like this. I believe it is a component of the "free man" ideology.

As far as paying for it, the State owns the roads. Drivers do not 'pay for them'.

Who pays for them then? Don't say the State because the State has no money.

The State.

What does the State do for a living?

More importantly where does the state get its money?

The state pays for the roads with YOUR money that you pay them. They still pay for them.

Collects taxes.



See above.

If our government is really of the people, by the people, for the people, then the government, the state is us. Then, we all, individually pay taxes that collectively, are used to build and maintain roads. So, we indeed, collectively own the roads, but we don't own the roads individually. We hopefully elect people who make good decisions with our money. But we (rhetorically "we") have elected people who think that the government is the state, not of the people. They spend our money at their whim, and not in a spirit of stewardship.

As far as the discussion on whether you have a right to drive on public roads, I think it's moot. You can say that driving is a right, and drag out all the court cases you want. But practically speaking, there is no state in the United States that allows you to drive on public roads without permission. You need special permission to personally drive any vehicle, and you need special permission before the state will allow your vehicle to be operated on public roads.

 

[Bunnykid68]

If our government is really of the people, by the people, for the people, then the government, the state is us. Then, we all, individually pay taxes that collectively, are used to build and maintain roads. So, we indeed, collectively own the roads, but we don't own the roads individually. We hopefully elect people who make good decisions with our money. But we (rhetorically "we") have elected people who think that the government is the state, not of the people. They spend our money at their whim, and not in a spirit of stewardship.

As far as the discussion on whether you have a right to drive on public roads, I think it's moot. You can say that driving is a right, and drag out all the court cases you want. But practically speaking, there is no state in the United States that allows you to drive on public roads without permission. You need special permission to personally drive any vehicle, and you need special permission before the state will allow your vehicle to be operated on public roads.

You can ride a bicycle or a scooter on most of them without any permission slip from the state but once you put a bigger motor on that bicycle or scooter suddenly you need permission.

 

[hopper68]

Last week the state shut down St Rd 257 between Otwell and Washington because the road was flooded over, as it tends to do 2-3x per year. Every time somebody just has to try to drive through because "they" can make it.
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