Saw a "gun sense" booth today

[billt]

Not even the same.

Really? Liberals support candidates who are anti gun, no matter if they like guns, or hate them. The result of their political support is the same. In that regard they're nothing but an oxymoron. Same as the pro lifer who thinks only God should take life. Be it in the womb, on a hospital bed, or in an electric chair. No difference at all. If he votes for someone who believes the opposite he's accomplishing the same thing as the pro gun liberal. Both are beyond stupid.

 

[JetGirl]

I'm not asking you to speak for him.

Yeah, you did. Here's your quote;

So yet again I'll ask. how does he, (gun loving liberal), help pro Second Amendment causes by simply owning and liking guns?

I have no flippin' clue how he helps any causes. Ask him if you want to know.

How is converting a liberal into liking guns going to matter in the least? How is it a "victory"?

That's your talking point, not mine. I never said anything about liberals and victories or any such thing. MY points are regarding ANTIS turning. Once again, since you are having the utmost of difficulty understanding... I am not a liberal. I have never been a liberal. I have no idea how liberals owning guns or liking them changes things politically. I have never claimed liberal "victory" of any sort.
What I DID do was paraphrase your "no such thing as liberals who love guns" premise by quoting a liberal saying he loves guns.

You're jumping all over me

No. You'll know when that happens. This ain't it.

 

[billt]

jj, like I said there are true democrats that are 2nd amendment supporters.

There very well may be. The fact is they are doing far more damage than they're helping the pro gun cause. Simply put, YES they exist. But there is no Second Amendment good coming from their existence.

 

[JetGirl]

Really?

Really.

Killing an unborn baby with no choice in the matter is not the same as making a choice to off yourself. But that's another rabbit hole for another day.

 

[billt]

That's your talking point, not mine.

It wasn't a "talking point" It was a simple question.

I have no flippin' clue how he helps any causes.

Then that's all you had to say.

No. You'll know when that happens. This ain't it.

Your queen $h!t attitude may impress your husband or boyfriend, but it bores the hell out of me.

 

[billt]

Really. Killing an unborn baby with no choice in the matter is not the same as making a choice to off yourself.

Except for the fact there are those that would argue it's not a "baby". In fact most all who support the pro choice movement take that position. Many of the same are also against the death penalty. It may be stupid, but it's how they think. It's hard to straddle both sides of the fence without smashing your nuts or twat when you fall off.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

jj, like I said there are true democrats that are 2nd amendment supporters, just not the case with true liberals. How many "blue dogs" in office now?

Rgr that. ...and not many.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Well...snow, I will qualify that with a not many on the national scale. On the local scale - especially in the south - quite a few.

 

[SERparacord]

Today's dem party is not the dem party of old. It has been hijacked by progressive slime. That's all.

 

[JetGirl]

It wasn't a "talking point" It was a simple question.

"Talking point" being that you lumped all "antis" in with "liberals"... which makes you wrong.

Then that's all you had to say.

Which is what I'd already done.

Your queen $h!t attitude may impress your husband or boyfriend, but it bores the hell out of me.

Nice.
Well, I'm super glad I'm not trying to impress you then.
But it's good to know I'm royalty in your eyes.

 

[jamil]

Wow. Busy thread.

You mean like the ones who don't want to watch "gun movies" or won't let their kids "play guns" (with water pistols or Nerf, etc.) or won't let their kids play with your kids if they "play guns"...or won't let them come to your house if they know you own guns...those types?

My sister-in-law is just like that. She gets upset when anyone even mentions anything about guns. She's a trendy "progressive" Denver transplant though, meaning it's "in" to be anti-gun, while being pro-gun is evil. So I think if I can get through on the trendy aspect, maybe there's hope for her too. Her kids would like to play dart guns with mine. Instead, when mizz kiljoy is here, no one gets to play.

I'm not saying or even suggesting that you're lying. But with all due respect, I'm 61 years old, and I've yet to meet one that wasn't the other. Or at the very least they have no use for guns, and could care less either way. In that case there is nothing to "convince".

Hello, my name is Dan, I'm a liberal. And I love my guns. Nice yo meet you.

Oh my. An inconvenient truth.

The gun issue, especially in extreme forms (i.e. volunteering to man an anti-2A booth), reminds me of religious zealotry right here in the midwest. I'm not on either side of the religious zealotry issue so please don't throw me on either side, but I have made some observations. When a religious group pickets or marches on adult book stores (for instance) no one changes their minds. There's a lot of anger on both sides, but it doesn't appear anything changes.

My family has pentecostals, reprobates, catholics, you name it. We don't talk religion at family reunions. It's pointless. No one changes their minds. No one listens, they only talk or think of what they're going to say next.

I think the gun issue has become so fused with emotion it's on the level of religion. If someone is neutral or simply hasn't been exposed you have a chance of presenting data and a reasonable argument and they may make an informed decision. Once the emotion gets injected reason goes out the window.

I hear you. But you can kinda tell when someone is open to even hearing another perspective and when they're not. We've seen examples of both up thread.

The problem is that it is not an "accusation", it's proven fact. If you think it isn't, give me one single example of a socialist / communist government that has been a success? Capitalism built this country into the most successful, free nation yet devised by man. Socialism / communism has destroyed prosperous living everywhere it has ever been employed. That is not a political opinion. It is solid fact.

Just because liberal / socialists refuse to recognize it, does not make it any more true than Obama's excuses and lies about Benghazi, the IRS scandal, or Fast & furious. Or Clintons rant about how, "I did not have sex with that woman!" Or for that matter Nixon and Watergate. Truth is the truth, and a lie is a lie. It really is just as simple as that. It doesn't make it any more complex because liberals are too blind or stupid to see it.

What does any of that have to do with the topic?

My example was myself.



Wow.

Eh, there's an upside. I thought I was starting to miss Trooper.

"Wow" even though I said (in regards to guns/liberalism);



You countered with...


Not to mention Dan saying to you (and getting totally ignored - which says a lot);





And he^ should know because you've all got him to thank (or blame) for me being what I am here today, in spite of the rabid anti-gun past.

Thanks Fletch.

I'm talking about engaging with people. Voting is the opposite of engaging. Voting to change the world only makes sense to people who can't do math.

I think that would make a good sig line.

"Liberal and pro gun" Is that not the same as a "honest thief"?

I think people are getting caught up into this left/right paradigm where a person who fits on one side an a particular issue must believe everything that everyone on that side believes. And that's simply untrue. On some subjects, I agree most with conservatives. On others, I agree with most with libertarians. And on a few subjects, I even agree with progressives. Just because we mostly identify with a particular ideology doesn't mean we will always side with that ideology.

jj, like I said there are true democrats that are 2nd amendment supporters, just not the case with true liberals. How many "blue dogs" in office now?

Can you define a "true liberal"?

 

[JetGirl]

Thanks Fletch.

If INGO members can appreciate Fletch even turning ONE anti into a pro-2A supporter, every single person here should rep the hell out of him for that. Or shake his hand & buy him a drink. Or all of it.

 

[snowwalker]

JJ, that is one reason why Indiana is such a strong 2nd amendment state.

 

[SERparacord]

Can you define a "true liberal"?

Harry Reid. A+ rating from the NRA yet first to call those who helped the Utah rancher domestic terrorists.

 

[snowwalker]

Can I define a "true liberal"? Easy. Anyone like Pelosi, Reid, Obama, etc., it has to do with ideology.

 

[jamil]

Harry Reid. A+ rating from the NRA yet first to call those who helped the Utah rancher domestic terrorists.

It's a good counterexample but I think naysayers might say he's only pro-gun because he's in a pro-gun state.

 

[snowwalker]

The same Harry Reid that pushes gun control.

 

[snowwalker]

If you want to know what liberals DO, look at Detroit.

 

[jamil]

If you want to know what liberals DO, look at Detroit.

My question was more about defining the particular part of "liberalism" that you think makes it an anti-gun ideology. I think you could make a better case for "progressives" favoring anti-gun positions.

 

[sig1473]

IBTL.....whew 10 pages of juiciness.