Saw a "gun sense" booth today

[jamil]

jamil, ok you did not bother to read it. Can you not read past the religious tones as to the description of liberalism? Name one anti gun push that does not have the far left of the democratic party (true liberals) behind it under this tyrant. I really don't want to spoon feed anyone, but I hope this will satisfy your question.......The Liberal Anti-Gun Fallacy - The Last Resistance | The Last Resistance

Yes, I did read it. And yes, I can filter through the religious stuff to get to the underlying descriptions of liberalism. I have to say, he makes a creative effort to [STRIKE]mesh[/STRIKE] mash everything into ten tidy boxes (although the Sabbath one really seemed much more forced than the others).

Neither the "10 commandments" link nor this one answered the question. And why do you need to provide links to explain it? Why not just say what principle of liberalism you think makes one uniquely anti gun? And, do you think a Republican has never supported gun control?

In my experience, liberals and progressives are more likely to favor gun control. But not all liberals do, and not all Republicans are pro-gun. But just blaming liberals for everything we think is wrong with our country doesn't get to the root problem. It just gives us boogie men to hate.

 

[snowwalker]

The principle of liberalism is just one word CONTROL. That's it and it's that simple. "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin ALL TRUE liberals want control in one's ownership, speech, media, thoughts, etc. This is still true, I have never met a true liberal who did not want gun control just as I have never met an honest thief. Those who vote and support liberals and a special kind of stupid. Anyone who says they support the 2nd amendment BUT, really don't support it at all. I hate no one, but I do hate some people's actions. Who do you think ruined IL or CA, or Detroit, or Chicago? MMM?

 

[billt]

The principle of liberalism is just one word CONTROL. That's it and it's that simple. "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin ALL TRUE liberals want control in one's ownership, speech, media, thoughts, etc. This is still true, I have never met a true liberal who did not want gun control just as I have never met an honest thief. Those who vote and support liberals and a special kind of stupid. Anyone who says they support the 2nd amendment BUT, really don't support it at all. I hate no one, but I do hate some people's actions. Who do you think ruined IL or CA, or Detroit, or Chicago? MMM?

Spot on, and very well said! What is genuinely scary is how many people don't see and understand this. Or else don't want to see or believe it.

 

[JetGirl]

This was a real friendly place

Specifically the reason I offered (and wasn't taken up on) taking things to PM when personal attacks started to appear.
No sense cluttering a thread with unrelated junk.

 

[Fletch]

The principle of liberalism is just one word CONTROL. That's it and it's that simple. "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin ALL TRUE liberals want control in one's ownership, speech, media, thoughts, etc. This is still true, I have never met a true liberal who did not want gun control just as I have never met an honest thief. Those who vote and support liberals and a special kind of stupid. Anyone who says they support the 2nd amendment BUT, really don't support it at all. I hate no one, but I do hate some people's actions. Who do you think ruined IL or CA, or Detroit, or Chicago? MMM?

I live in what has been called the most conservative state in the country. Let me be the first to tell you that conservatives are all about control as well. They just want to control different things.

 

[billt]

Specifically the reason I offered (and wasn't taken up on) taking things to PM when personal attacks started to appear.
No sense cluttering a thread with unrelated junk.

Well tell us all something. If you're so damn concerned about it, and all of a sudden have decided you want to clean up your act by not, "cluttering up the thread" with your crap, why did you even allow yourself to participate in any of it to begin with? I don't have a problem with what you want to do. Just don't throw gas on the fire, then start pi$$ing and moaning because the flames get to high.

Here you are, the very next day, starting your crap yet again. Even after I posted in reply to someone else, that didn't even concern you. Spare us all your self righteous nonsense, while you're trying to stir the turd at the same time. In short, grow up, or shut up, preferably both.

 

[JetGirl]

blah blah blah

PM it or stuff it.

 

[billt]

I live in what has been called the most conservative state in the country. Let me be the first to tell you that conservatives are all about control as well. They just want to control different things.

That may in fact be true with the far fringes of both the right and the left. But just remember, the far right wing does not want to control, ban, or confiscate your guns. The far left would have you disarmed in a heartbeat. If you doubt that, just look at who sponsored, and voted into law, every major gun control bill ever passed.

 

[billt]

PM it or stuff it.

Practice what you preach child.

 

[OneBadV8]

This is your in thread warning and Reminder that Personal Insults are not tolerated on INGO.

Play nice.

 

[OWGEM]

That may in fact be true with the far fringes of both the right and the left. But just remember, the far right wing does not want to control, ban, or confiscate your guns. The far left would have you disarmed in a heartbeat. If you doubt that, just look at who sponsored, and voted into law, every major gun control bill ever passed.

It was Ronald Reagan and the Republicans who passed gun control legislation in CA. There are very few absolutes in politics.

 

[Fletch]

That may in fact be true with the far fringes of both the right and the left. But just remember, the far right wing does not want to control, ban, or confiscate your guns.

I used to think that gun rights equalled freedom. Then I grew up.

They'll let you defend your life, but only so long as you don't get the idea you're allowed to live it.

 

[billt]

I used to think that gun rights equalled freedom. Then I grew up. They'll let you defend your life, but only so long as you don't get the idea you're allowed to live it.

I'm not saying gun rights "equal" anything. I'm saying it's a fact you would not have them under a far left wing, socialist, Democratic controlled government, period. You want rid of the Second Amendment, along with your gun rights, (regardless of what you seem to think they stand for), then keep voting Democratic. Once you get enough of them in office, you'll have it. How many failed, bankrupt, socialist examples do you need in order to wake up?

 

[billt]

It was Ronald Reagan and the Republicans who passed gun control legislation in CA. There are very few absolutes in politics.

Do you think your gun rights are going to fair better with the likes of Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi, and Jerry Brown?

 

[OWGEM]

Do you think your gun rights are going to fair better with the likes of Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi, and Jerry Brown?

You avoid my point. Your statements are untrue. Not all gun control laws were passed by the dems.

 

[jbombelli]

Well tell us all something. If you're so damn concerned about it, and all of a sudden have decided you want to clean up your act by not, "cluttering up the thread" with your crap, why did you even allow yourself to participate in any of it to begin with? I don't have a problem with what you want to do. Just don't throw gas on the fire, then start pi$$ing and moaning because the flames get to high.

Here you are, the very next day, starting your crap yet again. Even after I posted in reply to someone else, that didn't even concern you. Spare us all your self righteous nonsense, while you're trying to stir the turd at the same time. In short, grow up, or shut up, preferably both.

Take your own advice.

 

[Fletch]

I'm not saying gun rights "equal" anything. I'm saying it's a fact you would not have them under a far left wing, socialist, Democratic controlled government, period. You want rid of the Second Amendment, along with your gun rights, (regardless of what you seem to think they stand for), then keep voting Democratic.

Don't recall saying in this thread that I have voted Democratic. I'm presently unable to recall a time I have voted Democratic, though I suppose it's possible. Where did you get the idea I voted Democratic, or are you just pulling this out of your ass?

I know Democrats, and I have family who are Democrats. I also know Republicans and have family who are Republicans. I will defend and have defended either to the other, because they are people, not political labels. They have arrived at their beliefs for a reason, and they should not be demonized for having them. It's fine to engage them on the topic of their beliefs, but their beliefs should be respected just as I expect them to respect mine. Treating people as monsters never leads anywhere good.

Once you get enough of them in office, you'll have it. How many failed, bankrupt, socialist examples do you need in order to wake up?

How many do you need? Based on your statements in this thread, I find it pretty likely that you are far more socialist than I am. Do you understand the difference between socialism on the German model and socialism on the Soviet model?

 

[billt]

They'll let you defend your life, but only so long as you don't get the idea you're allowed to live it.

Do you think you'll "live a better life" under a socialist / communist government? Do you think you'll be allowed to become more self reliant, and less government dependent? Do you think you'll be allowed to prosper, and be more in control of your own personal destiny, both financial as well as social? All by living under a form of government that wants to do nothing more than expand to as large and expensive as it can possibly grow? And in the process do it at your, and everyone else's expense?

As I said before, I'm not saying the Republicans are the cure all for the runaway disease of liberalism. But they are the only vaccine we have to hold them in check at the moment. If and when a better, more electable option comes along, I'll vote for it. But until then, the fact remains this country was built on Capitalism, along with the self reliance it produces. The Republican Party champions this, the Democrats want it GONE. You have examples of failed socialism / communism on most every corner of the globe. There has yet to exist a country that offers the guaranteed freedoms and entrepreneurial sprit this one does.

All I hear is how the Democrats want to, "Spread the wealth around", and "Level the playing field". We've had 5 1/2 years of it under this President alone. Where is the improvement? The economy remains in shambles after 5 1/2 years. Unemployment remains in the stratosphere. Our health care system is going down the drain, with skyrocketing costs. This after promises of how the overall cost would be reduced. Doctors leaving the profession in droves because of the negative impact of Obama Care. Trillions wasted on social programs that don't work, along with a "stimulus package" that in fact stimulated nothing but the national debt. Pandering to foreign governments who now find us weak to the point they're laughing at us.

And last of all, living under the constant threat of losing our gun rights, along with countless other freedoms, in favor of a larger, more obtrusive government. No thanks. You want to live in a socialist nation, move to one. The last thing this country needs is to be "transformed" and "fundamentally changed" into the disaster Obama, and his communist cronies salivate over. All the while, (5 1/2 years to be exact), crying and whining that every failure they experience was, "Bush's fault". That in itself is all but laughable. What is sad is people like yourself who actually believe it.

 

[Fletch]

Do you think you'll "live a better life" under a socialist / communist government?

Of course not. I'm curious as to why you do, voting for socialists all the time.

As I said before, I'm not saying the Republicans are the cure all for the runaway disease of liberalism. But they are the only vaccine we have to hold them in check at the moment. If and when a better, more electable option comes along, I'll vote for it. But until then, the fact remains this country was built on Capitalism, along with the self reliance it produces. The Republican Party champions this

This is the funniest thing you've said all thread. Republicans do not champion capitalism. They are socialists, every bit as much as the Democrats. "Capitalism" to the Republicans is a fig leaf. The only difference between the Democrats and the Republicans is that the Republicans make a half-assed attempt to hide their socialism by calling it capitalism.

You have examples of failed socialism / communism on most every corner of the globe. There has yet to exist a country that offers the guaranteed freedoms and entrepreneurial sprit this one does.

That explains why the USA is #12 on the Heritage Foundation's Economic Freedom Index, behind places like Hong Kong, Singapore, Chile, and Ireland. Oh wait, no it doesn't.

You want to live in a socialist nation, move to one.

Who are you talking to?

The last thing this country needs is to be "transformed" and "fundamentally changed" into the disaster Obama, and his communist cronies salivate over. All the while, (5 1/2 years to be exact), crying and whining that every failure they experience was, "Bush's fault". That in itself is all but laughable. What is sad is people like yourself who actually believe it.

Again, who are you talking to? None of the beliefs you ascribe to me are in fact my beliefs, as any brief scan of my post history on this forum will attest. Almost anyone here who's had any sort of interaction with me whatsoever can tell you which direction my political compass points, particularly on economic matters, and it certainly isn't toward Democratic or Republican socialism.

 

[billt]

Not all gun control laws were passed by the dems.

I never said they were. Again, EVERY MAJOR gun control law passed since the National Firearms Act of 1934, was sponsored by, and voted into law by DEMOCRATS. Again, I'm not saying, or have EVER said, the Republicans are without sin. But are you honestly going to sit there and tell me the Republicans have damaged the Second Amendment with gun control to anywhere near the degree the Democrats have? Your argument is pointless, as well as stupid. You only have 2 parties on the ballot you can vote for that have ANY chance of winning. If you're pro gun, which handle are you going to pull? Yes, it really is just that simple.

If you need more proof look at how many Republicans have an "A" rating from the NRA. Look at the same for Democrats. Every gun bill that reaches the House or Senate floor becomes a battle between the Democrats, who want it passed, and the Republicans who want it voted down. Every single one. Your most recent example is all of Obama and Biden's push after Newtown. The only Democratic allies we have that exist, do so out of fear of not being reelected. Not because they believe in the Second Amendment. That is the only reason Reid did not allow Feinstein's resurrected Assault Weapons Bill to come to a vote. He did not want his Democratic cohorts to be on record for voting for it. The so called "Blue Dog Democrats" are pro gun because they have to be. They'd be voted out in a heartbeat if they weren't. They're not pro gun by choice, simply because the party they represent is anti gun. The Democrats were, are now, and always will be the party of gun banning. It is in their political agenda, and always has been. It is NOT in the Republican agenda.