Saw a "gun sense" booth today

[billt]

And all conservatives are open minded?

Open minded to what? Listening to, and accepting the stupid, non working ideology of liberals?

 

[billt]

Sorry about the grammatical error using "excepting", instead of "accepting". For some reason this forum will not let me edit. I've written to the mods twice about it, and have gotten no reply.

 

[Mark 1911]

I have little or no confidence that it's even possible to have a rational conversation with an anti-gunner. It almost always is a very frustrating experience. It typically involves the same tired arguments, like only police should have guns, guns are responsible for the violence, don't need an "assault rifle" for hunting, etc. They're going to fight their fight, I'm going to fight mine. It's not that I don't have much to say to them, it's that they don't want to hear it.

 

[sparkyfender]

I wouldn't bother with bothering them. Let them think and speak as they want. At least we will be respecting their rights, even if they don't respect ours........ The high road and all that.

Arguing facts with them, or open carrying in their presence will not make their heads "explode." They have heard it all before, no way their stance is going to change. I have a feeling they would probably welcome the confrontation.

 

[billt]

Here is 36 seconds of liberal thinking that pretty much sums it all up.

[video=youtube;Cj5KdtX8zB4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj5KdtX8zB4[/video]

 

[OWGEM]

Open minded to what? Listening to, and accepting the stupid, non working ideology of liberals?

You answered my question. Thanks.

 

[Birds Away]

Um, no you didn't.

 

[JetGirl]

if a person or politician is anti gun, there is little more I need to know about him or her.

I have little or no confidence that it's even possible to have a rational conversation with an anti-gunner.

They have heard it all before, no way their stance is going to change. I have a feeling they would probably welcome the confrontation.

This is all very enlightening. And it also explains to the Nth degree why more pro-2nd folks don't turn more antis around.

 

[billt]

Being from Chicago, and knowing how liberal Chicago Democrats operate in the 38 years of my life I spent there, I tried to be open minded when Obama got elected. I fought the "inner demons", that told me he would be yet another lying, stupid, freedom robbing socialist / communist. Who would no doubt embrace all the failed policies that have sent Chicago and Detroit into the social and economic sewer. 5 1/2 years later we all see the result. Yet again, another definition of insanity brilliantly sculpted. Is this what I need to, "open my mind to"?

 

[billt]

This is all very enlightening. And it also explains to the Nth degree why more pro-2nd folks don't turn more antis around.

You can't stop a runaway train with no brakes, utilizing clear, concise thinking.

 

[Mark 1911]

This is all very enlightening. And it also explains to the Nth degree why more pro-2nd folks don't turn more antis around.

JG, I'm a pretty outgoing person. I enjoy engaging folks in conversations, and I do engage them. I've had this conversation many times. I expect I will have it many more. I'm not saying I won't talk to them. But if someone is dead set on being anti, there isn't much one person can say to change their mind. I would like to be able to say I've won some converts, but the only folks that I could point to as possibly being "converted" were actually open minded and curious to begin with. The ones who are decidedly anti don't show any sign of ever changing, and typically have the attitude that the other side is extreme, radical, or ignorant. That gets very frustrating.

 

[JetGirl]

converts, but the only folks that I could point to as possibly being "converted" were actually open minded and curious to begin with. The ones who are decidedly anti don't show any sign of ever changing, and typically have the attitude that the other side is extreme, radical, or ignorant. That gets very frustrating.

You can't stop a runaway train with no brakes, utilizing clear, concise thinking.

You mean like the ones who don't want to watch "gun movies" or won't let their kids "play guns" (with water pistols or Nerf, etc.) or won't let their kids play with your kids if they "play guns"...or won't let them come to your house if they know you own guns...those types?

 

[Mark 1911]

You mean like the ones who don't want to watch "gun movies" or won't let their kids "play guns" (with water pistols or Nerf, etc.) or won't let their kids play with your kids if they "play guns"...or won't let them come to your house if they know you own guns...those types?

My parenting years are behind me, so the conversations I have are typically not related to parenting concerns. The last conversation I had was evoked by the fact that I was carrying and generally revolved around the question "why should people carry". In the end we had to agree to disagree, but parted as friends and ate dinner together. Although no bridges were burnt in terms of friendship, I doubt that we will have that conversation again.

 

[billt]

You mean like the ones who don't want to watch "gun movies" or won't let their kids "play guns" (with water pistols or Nerf, etc.) or won't let their kids play with your kids if they "play guns"...or won't let them come to your house if they know you own guns...those types?

Speaking frankly, I have no children, so I really cannot comment on how other people should or shouldn't raise their kids. That would be like the flight attendant telling the pilot how to fly the plane. I can say I played with most every toy gun imaginable when I was a kid. I got my first BB gun at age 8. And I got my first .22 at 11. I got my first shotgun a year later at age 12. I was taught safe, responsible gun handling by my father. I obeyed him because if I didn't, both guns would have been gone.

But in all honesty, how much success would I, or for that matter anyone else have, in trying to dislodge stupid parenting ideas from liberal parents who have hated guns, and see them as "bad" since they got out of the starting gate? It would be easier to convince Obama that capitalism works better than socialism.

 

[OWGEM]

I find it interesting how we humans can be guilty of exactly what we accuse others of, and not recognize that fact.

 

[JetGirl]

The ones who are decidedly anti don't show any sign of ever changing

But in all honesty, how much success would I, or for that matter anyone else have, in trying to dislodge stupid parenting ideas from liberal parents who have hated guns, and see them as "bad" since they got out of the starting gate?

I feel it's important to point out that not all antis are "liberal/socialist"... and I'm sure glad the person who took the time to reason with me did not get frustrated to the point of giving up on me as a "lost cause".

 

[billt]

I feel it's important to point out that not all antis are "liberal/socialist"...

I'm not saying or even suggesting that you're lying. But with all due respect, I'm 61 years old, and I've yet to meet one that wasn't the other. Or at the very least they have no use for guns, and could care less either way. In that case there is nothing to "convince".

 

[OWGEM]

I'm not saying or even suggesting that you're lying. But with all due respect, I'm 61 years old, and I've yet to meet one that wasn't the other. Or at the very least they have no use for guns, and could care less either way. In that case there is nothing to "convince".

Hello, my name is Dan, I'm a liberal. And I love my guns. Nice yo meet you.

 

[Mark 1911]

I feel it's important to point out that not all antis are "liberal/socialist"... and I'm sure glad the person who took the time to reason with me did not get frustrated to the point of giving up on me as a "lost cause".

JG, I agree with you. I won't give up on anyone as a lost cause, whether the topic is gun control or other. Just throwing out my own experience for what its worth, and saying that if you're going to engage the other side, to be prepared for some very tough cases. Discussions about gun control have much in common with other "hot button" issues of the day. Some people are open minded, others are not going be swayed. Give up on them? No. Just be prepared for some frustrating encounters.

 

[Tnichols00]

If there is to be another crazed shooter that would come out and do one of these unthinkable acts of terror I would hope that Shannon Watts would be nearby and a citizen who is a legal concealed holder saves her life from that lunatic.