Saw a "gun sense" booth today

[billt]

Dan said he IS a liberal but is also pro-gun.

Which is exactly what I stated in my post. Simply answer my question.

 

[JetGirl]

So...... I take from all of this that there are a few liberals out there in gun land who like guns. You appear to all but be bragging you're one of them. You and "Dan". Yet they're / You're still liberals, correct? Which means they are most likely still out there voting for freedom robbing socialists / communists like Obama in most every election, correct? If they're liberals they sure as hell aren't voting for conservative Republicans are they? So please explain to me how is that an improvement of any kind? They've turned around their thinking in order to like something they're trying to eliminate with most every vote they cast. This is some kind of miraculous improvement over the run of the mill anti gunner how?

OMG.
*tap tap tap* Is this thing on?

I have never voted "liberal". I said I was formerly "anti-gun". YOU lumped them together. I pointed out that one does not equal the other.

I've never supported socialism or liberalism. I just didn't want guns around me or mine, or anything to do with them.

Another INGOer reinforced that by stating that he IS a liberal and LOVES his guns. What do you not understand?? It can't be made any clearer.

Are you even reading other peoples' posts here, or are you attempting to be an object lesson in your own worldview? Jetgirl clearly stated that she is NOT a liberal but WAS anti-gun. Dan said he IS a liberal but is also pro-gun. Stop trying to lump everybody into the the same category.

At least someone read it!

 

[snowwalker]

"Liberal and pro gun" Is that not the same as a "honest thief"?

 

[billt]

I'm glad Fletch never considered me a waste of breath or a waste of effort.

In all honesty Jet Girl, how many people like you do you actually think are out there? I'm not saying it isn't good that you were "converted". But do you think this is going to have any bearing on the overall picture of what pro Second Amendment people are facing in this country today? I'm not saying you're "not worth the effort", but it is somewhat of a lesson in futility, with very little reward. And again, back to what I said originally. Would you have really gone on hating something you did not understand, without Fletch's "help"? That doesn't say much does it?

 

[billt]

"Liberal and pro gun" Is that not the same as a "honest thief"?

It is quite the oxymoron isn't it.

 

[billt]

OMG. At least someone read it!

Alright, I'll stand corrected on your political stance. But it really makes no difference. Simply because a gun hating conservative is no different than a gun loving liberal. Both cancel each other out. Back to the "honest thief".

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Fletch, you may not realize it, but yes - volunteering for a 2A booth (as I defined) is indication you are not going to change your mind.

I too have seen people change their minds on world view issues, but they are few and far between. I'm not advocating apathy or rudeness or indifference. If course I will always talk with anyone who's civil and wants to talk, but I refuse to have an argument with someone who's mind is closed.

 

[ATM]

I am willing to argue that others may save their breath. If those who choose not to engage would kindly direct them my way, I'll take care of it.

 

[JetGirl]

In all honesty Jet Girl, how many people like you do you actually think are out there?

LOTS. I meet people every week or so that have never wanted anything to do with guns around themselves or their families...and they're buying their first firearm or taking their first safety class! This has been going on for all the years I've worked there. You do the math.
I've witnessed people just like me, coming around to the realization that guns aren't evil...though PEOPLE who use them can be.

back to what I said originally. Would you have really gone on hating something you did not understand, without Fletch's "help"? That doesn't say much does it?

I probably would have. Because my only perspective of firearms was the fear I felt with a bullet flipping my hair as it whizzed past, and the realization that me and/or the loved one next to me could be very dead. My understanding was just that... MY understanding.
As far as Fletch's "help" (I'm not sure why you put that in quotations), I'm grateful that I encountered him and not some close-minded person like you're appearing to be.

 

[billt]

Another INGOer reinforced that by stating that he IS a liberal and LOVES his guns.

So yet again I'll ask. how does he, (gun loving liberal), help pro Second Amendment causes by simply owning and liking guns? He is still going to go out and vote for every anti gun, liberal, socialist candidate out there. It's like having a guy in the KKK who really likes blacks. Does it even matter? I don't understand why you need glasses to see this?

 

[Tnichols00]

Why does someone with a political view have to agree with every political view of the like kind?

Liberals do this to me all the time and I hate it!! After reading this it seems many right wingers do it too!!

People can have their own views and agree with someone one many views but differ on others.

Example, a person who has a liberal agenda on matters like income distribution and healthcare but be pro gun.

 

[JetGirl]

So yet again I'll ask. how does he, (gun loving liberal), help pro Second Amendment causes by simply owning and liking guns? He is still going to go out and vote for every anti gun, liberal, socialist candidate out there. It's like having a guy in the KKK who really likes blacks. Does it even matter? I don't understand why you need glasses to see this?

Why are you asking me? I'm not going to speak for him. I quoted his comment to you because you ignored it. Don't ask me to justify it because that's not my job. Regardless of whether you let people speak for you, I don't for others and don't like it when others do so for me. You want that answer, direct it to the individual. I don't understand why you need glasses to see that.

 

[billt]

Why does someone with a political view have to agree with every political view of the like kind?

Liberals do this to me all the time and I hate it!! After reading this it seems many right wingers do it too!!

People can have their own views and agree with someone one many views but differ on others.

Example, a person who has a liberal agenda on matters like income distribution and healthcare but be pro gun.

That's all true. And people can think whatever they want. Last time I looked it's still a free country. With that said I'm not seeing how a "converted" liberal gun owner is any kind of "victory" for any type of Second Amendment cause in this country. If a person supports a liberal candidate who likes socialist causes, part of those causes include the banning of firearms. It's package deal, like it or not. His personal stance on firearm ownership is totally cancelled out by his political views. He likes and wants something that his political candidates are trying to take from him, and everyone else. That to me is beyond stupid. That's like a pro lifer voting for doctor assisted suicide.

 

[ATM]

So yet again I'll ask. how does he, (gun loving liberal), help pro Second Amendment causes by simply owning and liking guns? He is still going to go out and vote for every anti gun, liberal, socialist candidate out there...

...I'm not seeing how a "converted" liberal gun owner is any kind of "victory" for any type of Second Amendment cause in this country...

Your implication is that a person's vote is their only (or at least primary) means of supporting or advancing 2A related causes.

What if that premise is false?

 

[JetGirl]

That's like a pro lifer voting for doctor assisted suicide.

Not even the same.

 

[snowwalker]

I have yet to meet a true liberal that was pro gun, I have known true democrats that are pro gun and they are rare (blue dogs), just as I have yet to meet a honest thief or a truthful liar. True liberalism and pro gun do not and cannot go hand in hand without hypocrisy from one side or the other.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

I am willing to argue that others may save their breath. If those who choose not to engage would kindly direct them my way, I'll take care of it.

I know several in Bloomington. You may start with my former esteemed colleague "Harlan Lewis". He often sends letters to the editor of the HT. I worked with him nearly 25 years and will gladly tag out. If you google his name and Bloomington Indiana he won't be hard to find.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

I have yet to meet a true liberal that was pro gun, I have known true democrats that are pro gun and they are rare (blue dogs), just as I have yet to meet a honest thief or a truthful liar. True liberalism and pro gun do not and cannot go hand in hand without hypocrisy from one side or the other.

Snow, I've got a pile of family around the Owensboro area that are died in the wool Dems and as strong 2A supporters as you will find. Be glad to introduce you.

 

[billt]

Why are you asking me? I'm not going to speak for him. I quoted his comment to you because you ignored it. Don't ask me to justify it because that's not my job. Regardless of whether you let people speak for you, I don't for others and don't like it when others do so for me. You want that answer, direct it to the individual. I don't understand why you need glasses to see that.

I'm not asking you to speak for him. Speak for yourself. I asked you the question. Don't dodge it with a bunch of crap because you don't want, or else can't answer it. How is converting a liberal into liking guns going to matter in the least? How is it a "victory"? If he or she will continue voting for liberal causes, part of which is trying to ban the very think you converted he or she into liking?

You're jumping all over me because according to YOU, I'm closed minded, and lump too many people together. So explain to me how separating liberal views from gun ownership is anything but a lose / lose situation? You're simply running in place faster.

 

[snowwalker]

jj, like I said there are true democrats that are 2nd amendment supporters, just not the case with true liberals. How many "blue dogs" in office now?