Letter to Buffalo Wild Wings

[pokersamurai]

this. you all miss the greater point here. its their property and you can be asked to leave at any time, for any reason. quote 2A all you like, doesnt change that. dont like it, dont go there.

Although I do try to avoid anti-gun business whenever possible, I'm still not going to let a little paper sign that a business decides to hang in their window control what I do on their property. If you feel like disarming yourself and greatly reducing your ability to protect yourself and your family out of respect for a businesses sacred "property rights" that's fine.

If they do happen to find out I'm carrying a gun against their wishes and ask me to leave, that's fine too. I'd rather be banned from a business and alive, than to disarm and become a victim of a tragedy like the one in Aurora.

 

[Hammerhead]

That is really neat. I may have to get some of those cards and start handing them out.

Although, now that I out of college, the only places that I frequent regularly that have "no gun" signs are my local movie theater and library.

Taking a guess here that your library is a public library.

Their no guns signs are illegal per 35-47-11.1.

 

[HavokCycle]

okay, let me put this another way. i post a sign that says no trespassing, and no firearms on my personal property. you disregard both, given due warning.

now what?

 

[Sylvain]

okay, let me put this another way. i post a sign that says no trespassing, and no firearms on my personal property. you disregard both, given due warning.

now what?

Call the police and have the person arrested and charged with illegal trespass.

The "no gun sign" doesn't add anything to it.If they legally carry your sign cant make it illegal.

 

[HavokCycle]

Call the police and have the person arrested and charged with illegal trespass.

The "no gun sign" doesn't add anything to it.If they legally carry your sign cant make it illegal.

no, but my point is, its my property. if they break my rules, they'll leave. that simple.

 

[pudly]

no, but my point is, its my property. if they break my rules, they'll leave. that simple.

Unfortunately, we have people right in this thread declaring that they will come along any way that want, with or without your permission. After all, it is all about them. You have no say in the matter.

I'm as pro gun as anyone, but why some people insist on going into a commercial establishment and giving money to those that put up signs indicating that their firearms aren't welcome is beyond me. Feel free to write letters or hand them a no guns = no money card, but do not support them financially.

 

[Roadie]

okay, let me put this another way. i post a sign that says no trespassing, and no firearms on my personal property. you disregard both, given due warning.

now what?

Kind of off on a tangent there, we are talking about 3 different types of Property here..

• Your Personal Property
• Business Property Open to the Public
• Public Library, Funded by Taxpayers

Which one do you want to talk about first?

 

[Roadie]

no, but my point is, its my property. if they break my rules, they'll leave. that simple.

It isn't that simple.. No Guns signs hold no weight of law in Indiana.. and your personal property is different than Business Property, and WAY different than the Library, which is Public Property..

 

[HavokCycle]

Kind of off on a tangent there, we are talking about 3 different types of Property here..

• Your Personal Property
• Business Property Open to the Public
• Public Library, Funded by Taxpayers

Which one do you want to talk about first?

public property owned by local, state, or feds, is entirely different, not that it'd matter much to some it'd seem.

as for personal property, vs one that is open for public, define to me the difference, specifically where it matters that i can eject people that i feel are unwelcome for any reason.

what about business property that is open during certain hours, and that I live within? for example, i owned a commercial suite, and lived there as well.

or the opposite, if I run a home business from my garage, like many gunsmiths do.

 

[Miles42]

I have always held the position it is their investment, their money, their rules. As I consumer it is my money my choice to either visit their establishment or not. I see no conflict here.

 

[Sylvain]

no, but my point is, its my property. if they break my rules, they'll leave. that simple.

Yes you can ask people to leave your home for whatever reason you want but not all those reasons will lead to criminal charges if you call the police.

 

[HavokCycle]

k, so, it really doesn't matter.
go to BW3s cocked and locked. get asked to leave. refuse. have the cops called and be escorted out while you scream 'ITS MY RIGHT' at the top of your lungs.
i really dont care anymore.

 

[Roadie]

public property owned by local, state, or feds, is entirely different, not that it'd matter much to some it'd seem.

as for personal property, vs one that is open for public, define to me the difference, specifically where it matters that i can eject people that i feel are unwelcome for any reason.

what about business property that is open during certain hours, and that I live within? for example, i owned a commercial suite, and lived there as well.

or the opposite, if I run a home business from my garage, like many gunsmiths do.

The difference is one type of property is not, by definition, "Open To The Public"..

Yes, it is their rules, however, since No Guns signs hold no weight of law in Indiana, LEGALLY you are not breaking the law carrying there.. until such time as you are asked to leave, and refuse. Even if you refuse, you are not breaking any FIREARMS laws, you are then, and only then, Trespassing..

However, No Trespassing sings DO hold weight of law, and if someone ignores that and comes onto your private property, they are INSTANTLY in violation of the law..

 

[Sylvain]

k, so, it really doesn't matter.
go to BW3s cocked and locked. get asked to leave. refuse. have the cops called and be escorted out while you scream 'ITS MY RIGHT' at the top of your lungs.
i really dont care anymore.

If im asked to leave any business for any reason I would, I would be sure to not come back and not give them any money though.That includes restaurants if they ask me to leave once I order the food.

 

[Roadie]

k, so, it really doesn't matter.
go to BW3s cocked and locked. get asked to leave. refuse. have the cops called and be escorted out while you scream 'ITS MY RIGHT' at the top of your lungs.
i really dont care anymore.

Translation:

"I really don't want to continue debating this because I might actually learn something that challenges my current feelings on the subject"

 

[HavokCycle]

Translation:

"I really don't want to continue debating this because I might actually learn something that challenges my current feelings on the subject"

i know my rights. i know where i can carry legally, and where i cannot. i'll have a beer and eat wings whilst watching you be arrested for criminal trespassing. cheers man, i'll finish your drink while you enjoy your ride.
thats my choice, and there's yours. simple as that.

 

[Roadie]

i know my rights. i know where i can carry legally, and where i cannot. i'll have a beer and eat wings whilst watching you be arrested for criminal trespassing. cheers man, i'll finish your drink while you enjoy your ride.
thats my choice, and there's yours. simple as that.

..and thus you make my previous point.

Let me state this again, if not for you, then for someone reading the thread who is interested in fact, not feelings....

You cannot be arrested in Indiana for "Criminal Trespass" for merely carrying a gun in a restaurant that has a "No Guns" sign..

Like it or not.. The laws ARE different regarding Trespass and Guns in Indiana, yet you are not willing to debate/discuss that because it goes against how YOU feel about the situation..

Oh, and for the record, this has been discussed at length, ad naseum, on INGO for years, and several attorneys have weighed in on the issue..

 

[HavokCycle]

what i'm debating with you is, simply this - disobey house rules, no matter what they are, from pissing on the floor, to CCing, and you leave. refuse, and you'll be removed. was i unclear about my stance on that?

 

[kyotekilr]

There is a better solution ...

Go somewhere else where you and your gun are actually welcome.

What's on the back?

 

[IndyBeerman]

I understand your wanting to carry, but even in Alaska, gun carry in establishments serving alcohol is prohibited. And quite frankly I can see why. I have seen some of the people around with ccp and them mixing weapons and booze in a crowded place with kids is not what is a recipe for succes. Further more restraints have the right to make these decisions and they aren't trampling your 2a rights. They never said you couldn't own a gun, they just would rather not have them in their establishment. I honestly don't get why this is such a big deal. You can't carry in a post office but still frequent that establishment no?

Please explain the above bold to the families who was victims of proclaimed Gun Free Zones killed @ Virginia Tech, Aurora CO, Northern Illinois, Von Maur Department store Omaha, NE and many more places.

All sites of Gun Free Zones, most of those people who died could have been saved if one lone licensed firearms owner was there and could have made a difference where many lives could have been saved.

It is the sheep dog (pro 2A people) that is feared by the sheep (anti's) until danger is present, then it is the sheep dog that shall spring into action to defend them and himself.

It only takes one round placed in the right spot to save many lives, including our own, this is why I and we carry.