Fanatical religious terrorist incident Colorado Springs.

[Roadie]

 

[Doug]

My money, for the record, is more on the lines of mentally ill / paranoid type. Whether he's right or left leaning will prove to be immaterial. And the PP office was not the target.

If that turns out to be the case, will any who have wrongfully maligned those who are pro-life or lean to the right, have the intellectual decency to apologize?

No, usually they just say, "Maybe they didn't do it this time, but it's just the kind of thing pro-life conservatives would do."

"Apology" is an unknown concept to the MSM.

 

[printcraft]

No, usually they just say, "Maybe they didn't do it this time, but it's just the kind of thing pro-life conservatives would do."

Unfortunately for them it almost never turns out to be the case.
Sucks to be so sure of what's in their own mind then get the rug pulled out from under their feet.

 

[Kutnupe14]

The Truth Has No Agenda. If different facts come to light, I have no problem altering my analysis of those facts. As of yet, though, I've not picked a horse.

So you're telling me, that you don't have a hunch or inclination of what probably occurred?

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

No, usually they just say, "Maybe they didn't do it this time, but it's just the kind of thing pro-life conservatives would do."

"Apology" is an unknown concept to the MSM.

Indeed. But in fairness, folks of all stripes are guilty of jumping to conclusions. And none seem to have the decency to apologize. I just don't like to see it happen in a case like this: where we have the perp and KNOW that the truth will eventually come out - still folks are hell bent to get their spin on it.

 

[2A_Tom]

Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooter Robert Dear pictured | Daily Mail Online

more information about him. House in NC was a shack with no water or electricity. Neighbors basically said he was nuts with wandering thought content.

here's the nail in the coffin, a "cross" was found displayed at his house. It's your standard horizontally mounted "cross" using the modern non-square cross beam...They are really reaching here. Neighbors said he never mentioned religion or abortion. He also had a place 20min from Colorado Springs

i wonder if if he was registered to vote in NC too.

Maybe if he was a Democrat.

 

[chipbennett]

So you're telling me, that you don't have a hunch or inclination of what probably occurred?

I have no clue what the guy did, who he intended to target, or why.

All I know is what has been disclosed, which includes sketchy-at-best details: the guy shot someone (or more than one) outside, in an area near a Planned Parenthood clinic, a bank, and a strip mall (restaurants, etc.), then holed up inside the clinic for several hours, exchanging gunfire with police but apparently not trying to shoot the clinic occupants (staff or patients), then peacefully surrendering.

Can you tell what to make of that? I sure can't.

 

[2A_Tom]

Word on the street, is that he leans to the right.

What you doing out from under your overpass without your radar gun.

I am way more even keeled, and fair, than most members.

Did anyone else LOL when they read this.

 

[Roadie]

OK everyone, play pretty.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

So you're telling me, that you don't have a hunch or inclination of what probably occurred?

I know that you asked this of Chip.. but if I may....

while one could conclude various things from the facts thus far, I don't think that it pays us to sweat it. The truth will come out soon enough. Further, I don't have a dog in the fight. While I am against the practice of abortion, I am equally against the practice of going into such a place and killing people. While I decry the practice of abortion, I equally decry cold blooded murder. So no matter what this dude's motive, I'm most likely going to be against what he did.

Based on that - I see zero need to go off half cocked and place my bets on one motivation or another. So far, all who have done so are politically motivated. THAT is unfortunate and wrong in my opinion.

 

[hoosierdoc]

No answer for why no one was seriously hurt at the place he was supposedly targeting for his religious beliefs. That's the tricky wicket with assuming this was a religiously motivated thing against abortionists... Why didn't he harm anyone there?

I have no clue what the guy did, who he intended to target, or why.

All I know is what has been disclosed, which includes sketchy-at-best details: the guy shot someone (or more than one) outside, in an area near a Planned Parenthood clinic, a bank, and a strip mall (restaurants, etc.), then holed up inside the clinic for several hours, exchanging gunfire with police but apparently not trying to shoot the clinic occupants (staff or patients), then peacefully surrendering.

Can you tell what to make of that? I sure can't.

 

[Doug]

No answer for why no one was seriously hurt at the place he was supposedly targeting for his religious beliefs. That's the tricky wicket with assuming this was a religiously motivated thing against abortionists... Why didn't he harm anyone there?

There need be no evidence of a religiously motivated thing against abortionists for the media to pin the blame on Christians and/or conservatives.
See post # 111. https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/break-room/399113-fanatical-religious-terrorist-incident-colorado-springs-12.html

 

[Roadie]

Look what the Liberal in America FB Page has posted. Of course, the sheep believe it it real...

 

[MisterChester]

PP's and abortion clinics are popular targets for domestic terrorism, so that is something to consider. To me it sounds like he started going on his spree, then saw the PP and went directly there. As in the PP was just coincidentally there, he hates them so he went there, and would have not made a difference on whether he would kill people or not. It didn't turn politically/religiously motivated until he saw the PP and it became a priority. Just my two cents.

 

[Kutnupe14]

No answer for why no one was seriously hurt at the place he was supposedly targeting for his religious beliefs. That's the tricky wicket with assuming this was a religiously motivated thing against abortionists... Why didn't he harm anyone there?

Where were the people in the clinic? Do you know? Have any of them been described as hostages? Was there a secure place within the facility that prevented the shooter from harming those persons inside? Was his intent to murder those persons inside the clinic? If he had no qualms hurting other people (non-LE), why wouldn't he also hurt those he had access to inside?...... unless he didn't have access to them at all. Not much of a tricky wicket.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

The heck of it is - if indeed he was right wing - most of the right would say that he would deserve to meet "Ol Sparky"... even if they were against abortion.

But if is was someone on the left - they tend to offer nothing but excuses for the actions of criminals that they share a cause with.

 

[Kutnupe14]

No so much of a tricky wicket anymore:

The regional head of Planned Parenthood says the man who attacked its clinic in Colorado Springs "broke in" to the clinic but didn't get past a locked door leading to the main part of the facility.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...-police-id-clinic-gunman-as-robert-lewis-dear

 

[KG1]

PP's and abortion clinics are popular targets for domestic terrorism, so that is something to consider. To me it sounds like he started going on his spree, then saw the PP and went directly there. As in the PP was just coincidentally there, he hates them so he went there, and would have not made a difference on whether he would kill people or not. It didn't turn politically/religiously motivated until he saw the PP and it became a priority. Just my two cents.

That's plausible but there is still no evidence to suggest that he was politically/religiously motivated based on what is known so far. His neighbors have even stated that they have never heard him discuss any such motivation in his occasional disjointed conversations with them.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That's plausible but there is still no evidence to suggest that he was politically/religiously motivated based on what is known so far. His neighbors have even stated that they have never heard him discuss any such motivation in his occasional disjointed conversations with them.

What else did his neighbors say about him?

 

[KG1]

What else did his neighbors say about him?

IDK. Ask this guy.

Neighbor James Russell told the AP that Dear typically kept to himself and that on the occasions when they did speak, Dear avoided eye contact and rambled about a variety of unrelated topics. However, Russell said, he’d never heard Dear talk about religion or abortion.

What we know about Robert Lewis Dear, alleged gunman identified in deadly Colorado Planned Parenthood attack