Fanatical religious terrorist incident Colorado Springs.

[KG1]

you people have no idea how long I've been waiting to use that GIF, and that was probably the 99% perfect time... and I get NOTHIN.

Tough crowd.

Sorry. I missed it. I was to busy avoiding ideology.

 

[Kutnupe14]

It may be that all of that is true, I like to wait for proof.

There's no "may be." ALL of it is true. You can dilly-dally all you want, but odds are he's very likely conservative.... just from the loon faction.

 

[KG1]

Since the last 20-30 of these mass killings were just whack jobs, isn't it more likely than not that this one would be as well? As I recall the overwhelming majority of them actually had some connection to the left, if one wants to look for that sort of thing. But to me, they were just sad people with a severe mental illness.

From my observation point it seems to be the left that brings up the ideological issue first. They even try to preemptively pin the blame on the right when such mass killings occur before all of the evidence comes to light. I think that's why many on the right tend to look for "other factors" first before more evidence has come light.

Unless we're talking about muslims. Right BBI?

 

[printcraft]

There's no "may be." ALL of it is true. You can dilly-dally all you want, but odds are he's very likely conservative.... just from the loon faction.

Last dozen or so hi profile shootings ........ tell me how many were "conservative" ? I'll wait.

 

[KG1]

Last dozen or so hi profile shootings ........ tell me how many were "conservative" ? I'll wait.

They were all conservatives at first until evidence came out to prove otherwise.

 

[Doug]

They were all conservatives at first until evidence came out to prove otherwise.

And said evidence was ignored, but, that's OK, a lot of people still believe they all "leaned right."

 

[BehindBlueI's]

From my observation point it seems to be the left that brings up the ideological issue first. They even try to preemptively pin the blame on the right when such mass killings occur before all of the evidence comes to light. I think that's why many on the right tend to look for "other factors" first before more evidence has come light.

Unless we're talking about muslims. Right BBI?

If a Muslim does anything, it's because he's Muslim. No other possibility is even considered. I wonder how this would have went if he said Allahuakbar after?

 

[KG1]

And said evidence was ignored, but, that's OK, a lot of people still believe they all "leaned right."

Well that's the playbook see. Be the first one out of the gate to lay blame against the other side no matter what future evidence provides. The damage has already done. Anymore it's the seriousness of the allegation that is depended upon. Facts are a side note when you have already tainted public opinion.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Last dozen or so hi profile shootings ........ tell me how many were "conservative" ? I'll wait.

What's the criteria for "mass shootings"?

 

[printcraft]

Pulled this list from arf.com

- Bryce Williams - Killed fellow reporter and cameraman - democrat - obama supporter
– Nidal Hasan – Ft Hood Shooter: Registered Democrat and Muslim.
- Jared Laughner: Gabby Giffords shooter - left wing liberal
– Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter – liberal/Obama voter
– Seung-Hui Cho – Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
– James Holmes – the “Dark Knight”/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu*py guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
– Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
– Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas – Leftist Democrat
– James J. Lee who was the “green activist”/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel – progressive liberal Democrat.
– Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter – Leftist, Marxist.
– Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
– Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters – families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
– Bill Ayers, Weather Underground bomber – Leftist Democrat.
– Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat – killed Kennedy

damn conservatives

 

[printcraft]

What's the criteria for "mass shootings"?

I said High Profile.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I said High Profile.

List them, and ill tell you may opinion.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Pulled this list from arf.com



damn conservatives

Oh you did, standby. Oh you have them all listed by affiliation? You said last 15 or so, right?

 

[cbhausen]

you people have no idea how long I've been waiting to use that GIF, and that was probably the 99% perfect time... and I get NOTHIN.

Tough crowd.

I just came back. Rep for you, well played sir.

 

[Alpo]

Ft. Hood Shooter – registered Democrat and Muslim. Okay, that last one is correct, Nidal Hasan was a Muslim. However, he was not a registered Democrat. He lived in 2 states: Virginia and Texas. Neither state requires a partisan registration. Ergo, no registered Democrat here. Move along.
Columbine Shooters – Too young to vote – both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals. Harris and Klebold were, indeed, too young to vote. They lived in an affluent, conservative suburb of Denver, Littleton. Harris’ father was a retired Air Force pilot and Eric had expressed a desire to join the Marines. Both boys admired Tim McVeigh. So the idea that the boys were liberal is iffy while the claim that they were registered Democrats is demonstrably false.
Virginia Tech shooter – Wrote hate mail to President Bush and his staff, registered Democrat. Bzzzt! Wrong again! Seung-Hui Cho was, first of all, a resident alien and ineligible to vote in the U.S. Even if he could, Virginia is, as mentioned before, a non-partisan registrations state. He was not a registered Democrat. Whether or not he wrote letters, that’s not been shown to have merit.
Colorado theater shooter – registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, Occupy Wall Street participant, progressive liberal. This one is completely off-base. It’s based on shoddy research done by someone at (wait for it) Brietbart.com (I’m sure you’re shocked). That guy found A “James Holmes” but it was not the one who opened fire in a Colorado theater. It is doubtful that the shooter was registered as anything. Some outlets that had taken Breitbart’s word for it (when will they learn?) retracted the allegations. Some, including Breitbart, did not.
Connecticut school shooter – registered Democrat, hated Christians. This one is based on the faulty reasoning that since Connecticut voted for Barack Obama at a 2-1 ratio, Adam Lanza must have been a Democrat. I don’t have to tell those of you who understand logic and statistics how dumb that premise is. In fact, Newtown voted for Romney. Lanza’s mother was a doomsday prepper and a home schooler who was, according to one source, a registered Republican. There is nothing to indicate that he hated Christians. But investigators did find an NRA membership certificate in his name. So we can call this one false as there is nothing to substantiate the claim that Lanza was a registered Democrat.
This is not to say that all mass shooters are Republican. Obviously, neither party sanctions this sort of behavior, at least, their leaders do not. The idea that a crazy person can actually act on behalf of any political party is a step too far. These are ideological crimes, when there is any motive at all – there often is not. That being said, a great many mass killings were committed by far right crazies. If you’ll recall the DHS report – the one that Fox raised such a stink about – it stated that there had been an uptick in right-wing violence and warned of further incidents from the same quarter. What happened there? Fox likes to play the false equivalence card and, short of reaching back into the 1970s, they were unable to find similar incidents of violence from the left-wing. So they whined and *****ed and the new administration knuckled under. That doesn’t change the fact that they were correct.
Below is just a sampling of incidents of right-wing violence. Of course, the biggest attack was the Oklahoma City bombing, a horrible attack driven by political ideology.

• Eric Rudolph, the Olympic Park bomber, killed one (and one indirectly) and wounded 111 others. His motive for the bombing, according to Rudolph’s own admission, was political. He also had bombed an abortion clinic in an Atlanta suburb, killing 2 and injuring six. Extremist chatter on the Internet while he was evading capture praised him as “a hero.”
• In 1993 Michael Frederick Griffin murdered Dr. David Gunn in Pensacola, Florida. He waited outside Gunn’s clinic and shot him three times, yelling, “Don’t kill any more babies.” He is currently serving a term of life in prison.
• A little more than a year later, Paul Hill shot Dr. Bayard Britton in the head with a 12-gauge shotgun. Hill also killed Britton’s bodyguard, retired Air Force lieutenant James Barrett, 74, and wounded Barrett’s wife June, a retired nurse. Hill bragged that “… no innocent babies are going to be killed in that clinic today.”
• Anti-abortion terrorist John Salvi carried out two fatal attacks on two abortion clinics in Brookline, Massachusetts in December 1994. Receptionists Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in the attacks. He escaped but was captured after another clinic attack in which he killed 2 more receptionists on March 19, 1996.
• Anti-immigrant vigilantes murdered Raul Flores Jr and his 9-year-old daughter Brisenia at point-blank range in their Tucson, Arizona home in 2009. A month earlier another young girl had died in a gun massacre in which anti-immigrant protestors were implicated.
• In 1998, James Kopp shot and killed Dr. Barnett Slepian. Kopp was affiliated with the militant Lambs Of Christ anti-abortion group.
• Militia wanna-be Bruce Turnidge went ape**** after Barack Obama was elected in 2008. He and his son, Joshua, succumbed to NRA hype and fear. They built and planted a bomb at a bank in Woodburn, Oregon on Dec. 12th, killing 2 police officers and wounding two others.
• George Richard Tiller, MD was murdered inside his church on May 21, 2009 by Scott Roeder, a militant anti-abortion protestor. Tiller had been shot and wounded 16 years earlier by another anti-abortion militant, Shelley Shannon.

We can see from this sampling that these crimes were driven by ideology, not party. Mostly, it’s anti-abortion militants who seem to think it’s okay to murder people to protect life. Now there’s an oxymoron for you.

A modest rebuttal

And Oswald? That's quite a stretch.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Printcraft, how many on your list were motivated to commit those acts based on their ideology? They very well may have been leftists, but you'll have to make a connection to their crimes with their political affiliations, in order to say that was a motivating factor. In other words, where's the correlation?

 

[KG1]

Yes conservatives suck. This world would be a better place without conservatives.

 

[printcraft]

List me 12 conservatives that have committed high profile shootings. I'll wait.

Or does ideology it only matter if the perp is a conservative and we are to ignore ideology if it comes from the left?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Yes conservatives suck. This world would be a better place without conservatives.

That's the only possible explanation. The actions of one individual indict the whole.

 

[MisterChester]

The salt in this thread... Anyone want to invest in a new salt mine I'm starting up?