You are being obtuse. It seems obvious from your posting that you have a 'keep the riff-raff out' kind of mentality about the 'amenities'
No, brave men did not lay down their lives in order to preserve your ability to trade your freedom for the supposed safety from having to rub elbows with people who don't share your prejudices
And/or a liberal
Wording could have been a little better, methinks...
When was that?
Because people always believe research papers that confirm their bias, at least that was what I was told on INGO. Were you ever in a that the owners tried to disband? It is like insurance, nobody likes it but very few go without it…
Neighborhoods with an HOA are generally more aesthetically pleasing than those without for the very reason that they generally require homeowners to keep up their maintenance. I believe there should be choices, neighborhood's that allow RV’s parked in the drive and activities like car restoration in the drive and neighborhoods for those that do not want that type thing. Does that only benefit the developer? If the covenants benefit the developer would it not be that many of those also benefit homeowners?
If one does not want to do car restoration in the drive or park their boat and RV at the house what make them “free-riders” if they trade that away for a neighborhood pool. Are you guys saying that national building corporations are dumb? You are ridiculing the very things that these companies put in because their experience and research indicates that is the way to make more money. They even do it in down markets, when not building pools would reduce costs but they still do it.
If one was very rich. Mostly even the rich just joined the country club. That is the value added that developers have taken over, even at entry level, new neighborhoods are like a small country clubs right in the neighborhood. People love that.
For central Indiana I would say mostly late 80’s was when they became a thing.
This was an attempted pun as well I think.
It just isn't. My last neighborhood had a community pool, built by the developer, funded by dues and home sales, yet if you wanted to use the pool you had to pay another fee to get a pool pass. There was little value add from the HOA or the pool. It was definitely not a country club. A club is a group of people with common interests. A group of homeowners rarely have a lot of common interests, quite the opposite in fact, they simply happen to live nearby. The diversity should be celebrated and encouraged but HOA restrictions try to smash everyone into the same box under the guise of "Making your home more valuable." To be honest, none of us should want our homes to be more valuable. That will only lead to more expenses. It also doesn't help us to upsize or downsize as all houses tend to increase at the same rate, HOA or not. The biggest difference I see between HOA and not is that HOA homes are new and non-HOA neighborhoods are naturally older as they were built before developers figured out they could do that.
Where I'm from, it was easily 75 to 120 years ago. And they are still very nice and desirable communities in and around Annapolis to live in. Two of my parents lived in one of those for better than 30 years and I don't recall them having complaints with the hoa.
If the rain clears out and I take a walk later, hopefully a neighbor will bring this up.
That seems odd for any neighborhood built since 2010 to me but some developers have tried different strategies. Who owned the pool?
Actually most new home buyers generally have similar goals. One of the big draws to new homes is the human nature that this time I will not mess it up. They want appreciation and dream of the next home.
It is ludicrous to not want an asset one owns to appreciate It is a system. A hypothetical, a couple bought a three bed home new in a subdivision they put their 3% down. They put their $5000 in the deal, and before COVID stupid, typically got 6% appreciation sell for $225,000 and now have $60,000 to do it again and may even be able to put 20% down on the next house and repeat the process, typically three to five times in a lifetime.
What does that mean?
Many people want all the amenity's that many community's with HOA's offer.
