Why Do So Many On INGO Hate HOA's?

[Ingomike]

Why do you believe you can sell something to someone and maintain control over it after?

Because it is my right and my freedom as a property owner to do so.

If someone doesn't want someone doing something on the land they own they should not sell it. It's that simple. You get to control what you own, you don't get to control what you don't own. That's the entire point of ownership. If someone wants to buy a piece of land and agree to not raise cattle, that's between them. HOAs are a different animal in how they're created and executed and you know it. I'm done addressing your BS comparisons.

Why are you so adamant that buyers and sellers of property must have it dictated to them how and what they can buy and sell? What about their freedom? I do not want the freedom to restore cars in my driveway or store an RV. Many others do not also, they have the right and freedom to buy where that has been agreed not to happen. Indyblue would not want to live there and he has options of places he can do that.

Selling a house to someone and both parties agree upon things like when possession transfer occurs makes sense. People should be free to agree upon whatever they want.

You bring up an interview point, sellers of houses that retain possession of the house after the buyer closes on it and owns it. That too is controlling property they don’t own.

Selling property and putting petty rules on it which go on in perpetuity is ridiculous.

Petty by whose definition? There likely are as many definitions as there are people.

If given the option at closing, there would be so few people signing on to HOAs that none would exist in pretty short order.

That is not when the decision is made, it is made when the seller delivers the covenants, restrictions and HOA documents to the buyer. With your career of dealing with people and all the bad that can do are you really surprised folks would take steps to mitigate the bad they can do in a neighborhood? Things that can hurt property values?

It really is not that hard to change HOA, an amendment is proposed, it is put up to a vote, if passed it is recorded at the county offices. That simple. So why do we never hear about this being attempted since it is so simple? Because not enough care to do it, but I’m supposed to believe at closing they would think different?

 

[phylodog]

Doesn't matter where the difficulty lies, you have to get both pieces of the puzzle to actually change anything thus making it hard to change. Trying to say it's simple because the process is lined out and strait forward is like saying sports are easy because you know the rules and technique.

Or saying there is a choice in the middle of a housing crisis.

 

[d.kaufman]

Do you believe it should be illegal for someone to sell their house and still live in it until they die? Do you believe it should be illegal for someone to sell land next to their house and still make it so no one can raise livestock on that sold land?

This thread you started has absolutely, and I mean absolutely nothing to do with this question.

I dont think anyone has argued that if you sign a contract to live somewhere, under certain rules, that it is illegal. Can definitely say its BS but not illegal. Your title says it all, "Why do so many on INGO hate HOAs" and you've been given countless reasons why and handed statistics showing the majority of people don't like them. Plenty of proof and reasons why so many wouldn't want to live in one.

Maybe you should've started a thread about why YOU love HOAs? It looks like you and firecadet would be the only 2 in it. Haven't seen much support of them by most members comments.

I for 1 will never live in one. Never have, never will. I dont need members only walking trails, we have one very close. I dont need members only golf course, we have one very close. I dont need members only tennis or basketball courts, we have those very close. If I wanted these things I'd probably just use the local city ones or join a country club. I dont need a members only pool, (and I don't see that being much different than a community pool, still got people you don't know and kids pissing in it) I've got my own, and can count on 1 hand how many use it, and how its been maintained.

Oh and home has doubled in value in the last 15 years without an HOA, but that story probably belongs in the property tax thread

 

[phylodog]

Because not enough care to do it, but I’m supposed to believe at closing they would think different?

Guaranteed.

I believe the initial buyer/builder of a house in a new subdivision with an HOA has a very good idea of what they're getting in to. Subsequent buyers, not so much. As I recall, it was one page of about 75 needing my signature within a stack of about 400 pages.

 

[Ingomike]

I used my property in a completely reasonable manner. I changed the oil in my driveway, I replaced U joints, a front wheel bearing hub and rotated the tires on my truck on a regular basis. The pearl clutchers would send me a letter every couple of years which I'd promptly throw in the trash. I was also the guy that would get up in the middle of the night to stand thigh deep in the gutter trying to clear the debris from the drain so the water wouldn't back up into my neighbor's garages. It must have been horrible living near me.

Never left a hood up, wheel off or jack in the driveway overnight. I paid a lot of money for my home so I didn't have the money to buy another driveway somewhere else. If that kept them up at night, well, there's no shortage of mental health specialists on standby just waiting for a call, I hope they got help.

Lord knows I put up with my fair share of fireworks after hours, barking dogs, people's dogs ******** in my yard, loud exhausts and thumping stereos over the years, oh yeah and the guy across the street's band practice in the summer with the garage door open. I never called anyone to whine about it.

So you didn’t follow through with what you agreed to do. That is the cause of most HOA disputes, people that agree at closing and then decide they are not sticking to their word because it all so unfair…

 

[firecadet613]

Thanks. I wasn't going to look because they both refuse to look at any stories or videos so I didn't want to waste anymore time explaining to a wall.
That's an awesome job

Just to point out - that's a PUBLIC park and NOT a private HOA amenity as I was discussing last night. HUGE difference.

While that park is nice, it's not access restricted which is what you get with a HOA pool.

Or saying there is a choice in the middle of a housing crisis.

I keep hearing about this crisis - I had no issues buying a second home during the middle of it. We only decided to move and live full time at the "vacation" home due to a job change and the ability to truly cash out of the main home...

 

[jkaetz]

If they put deed restrictions and covenants in place they still have an interest, those are the interest they retained. Other property owners may also have an interest due to shared association.

A property owner can sell any portion of their rights they wish to and retain any rights they wish. Do you not agree with this statement?

Let's be realistic, a neighborhood developer doesn't give two poops about the property after they've sold everything and made their $$$. Deed restrictions are for individuals who want to sell some land but stay in the area thus actually caring about the land they sold. A way to formalize a gentlemen's agreement if you will. This ability has been perverted into the HOA non-sense we have today.

 

[phylodog]

I keep hearing about this crisis - I had no issues buying a second home during the middle of it. We only decided to move and live full time at the "vacation" home due to a job change and the ability to truly cash out of the main home...

You've made it abundantly clear that you are satisfied with an example of 1 to make your determinations on things. I'm glad you had no problem. I did, my Mom did, my Dad did, my youngest brother did, my sister did, my sister in law did and my brother's in laws did as well. All have bought homes within 15 miles of mine since I purchased mine 5.5 years ago.

It took us 2.5 years to find what we were looking for. We made an offer two hours after being the first through the door. They had an open house the next day where more than 70 couples/families showed up.

Maybe that's indicative of an even keel market.

 

[firecadet613]

Maybe you should've started a thread about why YOU love HOAs? It looks like you and firecadet would be the only 2 in it. Haven't seen much support of them by most members comments.

Because I can understand what the entail, read what I sign, and can abide by my word? So much for freedom loving Americans wanting others to have freedom of choice. No one is infringing on anyone's rights, they do not have to join a HOA.

Oh and home has doubled in value in the last 15 years without an HOA, but that story probably belongs in the property tax thread

If yours hasn't in the past few years, something is very wrong.

 

[firecadet613]

You've made it abundantly clear that you are satisfied with an example of 1 to make your determinations on things. I'm glad you had no problem. I did, my Mom did, my Dad did, my youngest brother did, my sister did, my sister in law did and my brother's in laws did as well. All have bought homes within 15 miles of mine since I purchased mine 5.5 years ago. It took us 2.5 years to find what we were looking for.

Same. It took me two years to find the exact property I wanted. I don't call it a "housing crisis". More of a side effect of high interest rates reducing supply.

That's a lot of folks needing to move during a "housing crisis"....talk about bad timing.

I could have easily bought within a week...as I'm sure most people could, if I compromised...

 

[d.kaufman]

Just to point out - that's a PUBLIC park and NOT a private HOA amenity as I was discussing last night. HUGE difference.

While that park is nice, it's not access restricted which is what you get with a HOA pool.

So are you saying you personally know everyone in your community? How do you know how hygienic those that play on the playground or swim in the pool are. I see these so called "amenities" as no different than using the local pool or playground. Strangers wiping their ass and not washing then going down the slide or holding onto the chains while swinging. Kids pissing in pools. If this is one of the main reasons for joining and HOA you surely can count me out

 

[firecadet613]

So are you saying you personally know everyone in your community? How do you know how hygienic those that play on the playground or swim in the pool are. I see these so called "amenities" as no different than using the local pool or playground. Strangers wiping their ass and not washing then going down the slide or holding onto the chains while swinging. Kids pissing in pools. If this is one of the main reasons for joining and HOA you surely can count me out

Who said I know everyone? Who said it was the main reason for buying there.

Amenity - not the main reason, hell, we never used it but it sure helped it make it one of the most desirable neighborhoods in town...

 

[repeter1977]

Just to point out - that's a PUBLIC park and NOT a private HOA amenity as I was discussing last night. HUGE difference.

While that park is nice, it's not access restricted which is what you get with a HOA pool.

We know that you want discrimination, you've said it multiple times. Also love no matter what you keep moving goal posts. But since you wanted to bring me back in to your conversation, answer why you get so upset at people answering the tread
Why Do So Many On INGO Hate HOA's?
They tell you and you attack the person answering? @Ingomike still refuses to answer then wants to keep playing games. So maybe you'll be able to actually answer, why ask a question you don't want the answer to?
Glad everyone else is pointing it out too, and yet y'all refuse to answer.
You should rename this thread, Why HOAs are the only answer and the rest of INGO are peasants that don't understand.

 

[firecadet613]

We know that you want discrimination, you've said it multiple times. Also love no matter what you keep moving goal posts. But since you wanted to bring me back in to your conversation, answer why you get so upset at people answering the tread
Why Do So Many On INGO Hate HOA's?
They tell you and you attack the person answering? @Ingomike still refuses to answer then wants to keep playing games. So maybe you'll be able to actually answer, why ask a question you don't want the answer to?
Glad everyone else is pointing it out too, and yet y'all refuse to answer.
You should rename this thread, Why HOAs are the only answer and the rest of INGO are peasants that don't understand.

Wtf discrimination dude?!

Private property should be used by the public?! Bull buddy, bull on that....

 

[d.kaufman]

And with that, I'm out. I got sucked back into this HOA ****show @Ingomike started years ago. Turned into a anti HOA circle jerk...

Wtf discrimination dude?!

Private property should be used by the public?! Bull buddy, bull on that....

I thought you were done....

 

[firecadet613]

I thought you were done....

Ya well. Gotta call a spade a spade!

You were quick on that! Damm mods lol

 

[repeter1977]

Wtf discrimination dude?!

Private property should be used by the public?! Bull buddy, bull on that....

seriously, love that you keep pretending like you don't know. It's been brought up several times with you siding with racist HOAs saying it was OK, even clarified with you, pointing out they were racist several times and you still stood for the racist HOA.
Funny you still aren't answering on the topic.
Bye.

 

[firecadet613]

seriously, love that you keep pretending like you don't know. It's been brought up several times with you siding with racist HOAs saying it was OK, even clarified with you, pointing out they were racist several times and you still stood for the racist HOA.
Funny you still aren't answering on the topic.

Something not even on the topic of HOA amenities, you pulled a news article about a racist HOA out of your back pocket. Obviously, that struck a nerve with you years ago if you had it ready and waiting...

So please. Answer the question.

Wtf discrimination dude?!

Private property should be used by the public?! Bull buddy, bull on that....

How the F does RACE or even INCOME enter a discussion about HOA private property vs city owned, public property?!

Private property @repeter1977, either you stand for it or you don't. You missed my entire point last night, focused on some racist HOA that had zero to do with the topic at hand...

Bye

 

[phylodog]

I could have easily bought within a week...as I'm sure most people could, if I compromised...

Like agreeing to an HOA you didn't want because you didn't have an additional year to look for a house?

 

[firecadet613]

Like agreeing to an HOA you didn't want because you didn't have an additional year to look for a house?

Sure. That's a compromise. Or just life....

Did you have to move out right then? Did you get kicked out? I'm guessing no to both...

If you agreed to the HOA, you agreed to the HOA...