Why Do So Many On INGO Hate HOA's?

[phylodog]

Not the case with real estate. Get familiar with the law!

Again.

This isn’t an ignorance issue as you so desperately want to believe. Its is a difference in values. I value personal freedom more than money, you quite obviously don’t.

I know what the laws are. I spent 20 years as a police officer and have purchased several properties. If your position is that something is proper because the law says it, we’re further away fro agreeing upon anything than I thought.

 

[Ingomike]

I’m not rich.

I bet Brandon would tell us you are…

 

[Ingomike]

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Nonsense. The developer has no material interest in the development after his responsibility is done.

I believe they would have standing as the owner that created the covenants. Now what would happen in court is another matter.

 

[phylodog]

I have zero issue with HOAs which collect annual dues to maintain common areas or amenities. If they stopped there, I’d have no issue with them but they don’t. Every neighborhood has its fair share of nosy, petulant Karens with a superiority complex who want to **** in everyone’s ear about petty crap.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I bet Brandon would tell us you are…

Let's ask him. @Brandon , do you think jamil is rich?

 

[firecadet613]

Again.

This isn’t an ignorance issue as you so desperately want to believe. Its is a difference in values. I value personal freedom more than money, you quite obviously don’t.

Wrong again. We were both in a HOA for 15 years and now neither of us are. If it was so horrible, why did you stay living within the confines of a HOA??

I had zero issues with the HOA, but mine sounded normal vs the exceptions that many here are shouting from the roof tops.

I greatly value personal freedom. HOAs are legal and there is no reason someone shouldn't be able to read the covenants, sign them, and abide by them. I'll ask again, how is a community/subdivision owned pool, walking trails, and tennis courts managed without a HOA?

I know what the laws are. I spent 20 years as a police officer and have purchased several properties. If your position is that something is proper because the law says it, we’re further away fro agreeing upon anything than I thought.

Kudos to you. I have two brothers who are cops. Isn't their job to enforce ALL laws, not pick and choose?

If you've purchased several properties, you should understand deed restrictions...

What the law says and what is morally right are often times at opposite end of the spectrum, but to Mike's original point on the first post, isn't signing your name, your word, your bond?

If you sign on the dotted line, you are stating that you agree with them. If not, don't buy the place and find another one.

 

[firecadet613]

I have zero issue with HOAs which collect annual dues to maintain common areas or amenities. If they stopped there, I’d have no issue with them but they don’t. Every neighborhood has its fair share of nosy, petulant Karens with a superiority complex who want to **** in everyone’s ear about petty crap.

Then we're speaking the same thing, just talking past each other.

I've never been a member of a HOA that just had rules without any benefits. But if Karen (or Chad) wants to join one, shouldn't they have the FREEDOM to do so?

Hell, I got pissed after I got one of my letters and sent in a bunch of violations. The F'rs told me, they'd have to have their compliance person verify it, before they sent a letter.

So no, I'm not buying all the BS stories I hear about the madness of HOAs...

 

[Ingomike]

I value personal freedom more than money,

You certainly do not value personal freedom, and even the constitutional value of freedom of association if you are still saying property owners should not be able to pick and choose what property rights they wish to sell and which to retain and place restrictions on the use of their property. No one is forced to agree to any of those they can buy another property.

 

[phylodog]

Wrong again. We were both in a HOA for 15 years and now neither of us are. If it was so horrible, why did you stay living within the confines of a HOA??

Are you ****ing serious? Maybe because moving a family, selling and buying a different home is slightly more than an inconvenience?

I had my fun with the HOA while I was there. I can assure you they disliked dealing with me a hell of a lot more than I disliked dealing with them. I have no patients for that type of human being. Can’t do **** on their own but give them the backing of a gaggle of Karen’s and they grow monster balls.

Pathetic

 

[phylodog]

You certainly do not value personal freedom, and even the constitutional value of freedom of association if you are still saying property owners should not be able to pick and choose what property rights they wish to sell and which to retain and place restrictions on the use of their property. No one is forced to agree to any of those they can buy another property.

How in the hell do you justify the rights of someone who doesn’t own something still possessing control over it? Please explain that and make it make sense because it’s ridiculous. Please don’t go back to using the existence of HOAs to justify this perverted view of “ownership”.

 

[firecadet613]

Are you ****ing serious? Maybe because moving a family, selling and buying a different home is slightly more than an inconvenience?

Then living within the confines of the HOA (which you agreed to) wasn't all that bad.

I had my fun with the HOA while I was there. I can assure you they disliked dealing with me a hell of a lot more than I disliked dealing with them. I have no patients for that type of human being. Can’t do **** on their own but give them the backing of a gaggle of Karen’s and they grow monster balls.

Pathetic

Sounds like you had a pretty ****** HOA.

 

[phylodog]

Then living within the confines of the HOA (which you agreed to) wasn't all that bad.


Sounds like you had a pretty ****** HOA.

Like I said earlier. I had restrictions on where I could live. If I could have moved out of the county sooner I would have. Putting up with the childish nonsense was less stomach turning than buying another piece of property in Indianapolis.

 

[Ingomike]

How in the hell do you justify the rights of someone who doesn’t own something still possessing control over it? Please explain that and make it make sense because it’s ridiculous. Please don’t go back to using the existence of HOAs to justify this perverted view of “ownership”.

Do you believe it should be illegal for someone to sell their house and still live in it until they die? Do you believe it should be illegal for someone to sell land next to their house and still make it so no one can raise livestock on that sold land?

 

[Ingomike]

Are you ****ing serious? Maybe because moving a family, selling and buying a different home is slightly more than an inconvenience?

I had my fun with the HOA while I was there. I can assure you they disliked dealing with me a hell of a lot more than I disliked dealing with them. I have no patients for that type of human being. Can’t do **** on their own but give them the backing of a gaggle of Karen’s and they grow monster balls.

Pathetic

So you went back on your word that you would follow the covenants and HOA that you signed at closing?

 

[phylodog]

Do you believe it should be illegal for someone to sell their house and still live in it until they die? Do you believe it should be illegal for someone to sell land next to their house and still make it so no one can raise livestock on that sold land?

Why do you believe you can sell something to someone and maintain control over it after?

If someone doesn't want someone doing something on the land they own they should not sell it. It's that simple. You get to control what you own, you don't get to control what you don't own. That's the entire point of ownership. If someone wants to buy a piece of land and agree to not raise cattle, that's between them. HOAs are a different animal in how they're created and executed and you know it. I'm done addressing your BS comparisons.

Selling a house to someone and both parties agree upon things like when possession transfer occurs makes sense. People should be free to agree upon whatever they want. Selling property and putting petty rules on it which go on in perpetuity is ridiculous.

If given the option at closing, there would be so few people signing on to HOAs that none would exist in pretty short order. The admitted exception being maintenance of common areas and/or amenities. Outside of that, they are completely unnecessary and one of the more pathetic segments of American society.

 

[phylodog]

So you went back on your word that you would follow the covenants and HOA that you signed at closing?

I used my property in a completely reasonable manner. I changed the oil in my driveway, I replaced U joints, a front wheel bearing hub and rotated the tires on my truck on a regular basis. The pearl clutchers would send me a letter every couple of years which I'd promptly throw in the trash. I was also the guy that would get up in the middle of the night to stand thigh deep in the gutter trying to clear the debris from the drain so the water wouldn't back up into my neighbor's garages. It must have been horrible living near me.

Never left a hood up, wheel off or jack in the driveway overnight. I paid a lot of money for my home so I didn't have the money to buy another driveway somewhere else. If that kept them up at night, well, there's no shortage of mental health specialists on standby just waiting for a call, I hope they got help.

Lord knows I put up with my fair share of fireworks after hours, barking dogs, people's dogs ******** in my yard, loud exhausts and thumping stereos over the years, oh yeah and the guy across the street's band practice in the summer with the garage door open. I never called anyone to whine about it.

 

[Brandon]

Let's ask him. @Brandon , do you think jamil is rich?

I am so far removed from this thread and have atleast one person on my ignore list.

I've delivered to expensive homes on water, they ordered the cheapest crap you could buy and had a card table as their dinning room table.

Sure they had the money to buy the home (bet the lost it around 2008)

I have been to homes in areas most would think people had no money pay 15k cash and tip reallly nice.

Wait.... someone tell me what's going on here again?

 

[repeter1977]

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Enhance new community park with amenities that will benefit all park visitors (i.e., park sign, site furnishings, landscaping and walking trail).

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Thanks. I wasn't going to look because they both refuse to look at any stories or videos so I didn't want to waste anymore time explaining to a wall.
That's an awesome job

 

[repeter1977]

I don't think the thread's purpose was to solicit answers. it looks to me like it was to lecture people and try to invalidate any complaints about HOA's.

Agreed. Especially when presented any evidence to the contrary they plug their ears and scream like those they claim to hate on Trump's inauguration NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
And then pretend they won.

 

[jkaetz]

It is indeed a simple task for those that know how to do it. The difficulty is getting enough to agree to the changes you want to propose.

Doesn't matter where the difficulty lies, you have to get both pieces of the puzzle to actually change anything thus making it hard to change. Trying to say it's simple because the process is lined out and strait forward is like saying sports are easy because you know the rules and technique.