Why Do So Many On INGO Hate HOA's?

[Ingomike]

Wants to tell others what to do on their own land.
Doesn't want others to tell them what to do with their own contracts.

Wants to live with those that agree what we will do on our land and have the freedom to make it contractural.

I have tried so many ways to explain it is not telling ANYONE what to do on their land it is an agreement. This implies that someone owned a property and later someone came along and made dictates to them. What you said is not how it works.

 

[Ingomike]

I've witnessed travel trailers worth more than the home they're parked in front of. Maybe the HOA should forbid the home. HOA's have gone from, 'I don't want my neighbor negatively impacting my property' to the extreme of, 'I don't agree with my neighbor's choice of window coverings'. There are neighborhoods that allow for trailers, boats, RVs. Usually they are pretty nice neighborhoods. Conversely, there are plenty of ****villes that prohibit parking in one's own driveway. Go figure.

All true, but it is still a choice…

 

[Ingomike]

So the rules only apply to others? You're exempt?

Nope, just like speeding or any other infraction, I got the penalty prescribed for my failure to follow the covenants. I was allowed to load and unload, but unhitching to go to the hardware was parking under the rules. My half hour run to the hardware got me a letter.

 

[firecadet613]

Nope, just like speeding or any other infraction, I got the penalty prescribed for my failure to follow the covenants. I was allowed to load and unload, but unhitching to go to the hardware was parking under the rules. My half hour run to the hardware got me a letter.

That's how the bastards got me. Except IIRC, I went to grab lunch.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Nope, just like speeding or any other infraction, I got the penalty prescribed for my failure to follow the covenants. I was allowed to load and unload, but unhitching to go to the hardware was parking under the rules. My half hour run to the hardware got me a letter.

Do people patrol the neighborhood 24/7 looking for violations? I sure wouldn't be able to tell you what my neighbors are doing right now, or half an hour ago, or hell, last week.

 

[phylodog]

Who is forcing anyone? And you are welcome not to have one, no one is saying you even need one, you are saying I shouldn’t have one and they are unneeded. Why can’t I have one if I want one? Why can’t I live with others who all agree to live by the same covenants and you live with the those that want no covenants?

No one is making anyone live with covenants, my point here is to open folks thinking as to why the covenants exist. If you are good with the neighbor working on cars every night in the drive twenty feet from your house, you are welcome to live that way. I choose not to…

So if I find the perfect home we’ve been searching for I can opt out of belonging to the HOA when we buy it? Because that would be voluntary.

If HOA’s weren’t typically manned by busy-body turbo Karens who live to spread their misery around to everyone people wouldn’t want to buy a house without one but we don’t see that.

 

[Ingomike]

So if I find the perfect home we’ve been searching for I can opt out of belonging to the HOA when we buy it? Because that would be voluntary.

You are wanting your cake and eat it too. The owner of the property put the covenants in place and the choice is to buy with those covenants or not buy.

I knew of a farmer that sold five acres near his house to a friend to build a house in, he stipulated in covenants he created no livestock could be raised on that property. When the friend later sold anyone who bought it was held to that covenant to not raise livestock because it was attached to the deed, just like the covenants for a neighborhood.

If HOA’s weren’t typically manned by busy-body turbo Karens who live to spread their misery around to everyone people wouldn’t want to buy a house without one but we don’t see that.

At the end of the day, the busy-bodies are either in the right or the wrong. I suspect most times in our area they are right and the homeowner is wrong, but there are situations I have seen.

 

[BugI02]

Your premise is that the existence of HOAs means that everyone likes them.

I'm proposing that the reason so many exist is because it is nearly impossible to alter/abolish them.

In my estimation most people who live with an HOA do their best to not be noticed.

Kind of like living under authoritarianism/marxism, then, yes?

 

[BugI02]

We do not have enough laws in this country, let's have HOA's to take up the slack. Not only that, but let's fill the racist community watchdogs with people who think their crap doesn't.... You know, all the wanna be head librarians. Let's make sure they excel at wokeness and DEI, lack people skills and are introverts. Men with small packages and mid-aged women with no personalities. Have family members from Mrs. Kravitz family downline in every building or block and hire the Fife family to patrol the streets and hand out tickets.

I think you get the idea. No, HOA's have no place in the USA.

HOAs seem like on the job training for the American STASI that is a democrat wet dream

 

[BugI02]

Who is forcing anyone? And you are welcome not to have one, no one is saying you even need one, you are saying I shouldn’t have one and they are unneeded. Why can’t I have one if I want one? Why can’t I live with others who all agree to live by the same covenants and you live with the those that want no covenants?

No one is making anyone live with covenants, my point here is to open folks thinking as to why the covenants exist. If you are good with the neighbor working on cars every night in the drive twenty feet from your house, you are welcome to live that way. I choose not to…

Mike, you always gloss over the fact that no one ever voted an HOA into existence. They are established by the developer at the time construction commences on the development, allotment, neighborhood etc and presented as a fait accompli to buyers

What would be the chances of a resolution to dissolve the HOA being accepted? Would it have to be agreed upon by the BoD in order to be even brought to a vote? How likely is it that the HOA would allow a vote that might end its existence? Do HOAs have the equivalent of a voter referendum? If not, why not?

 

[BugI02]

Wants to live with those that agree what we will do on our land and have the freedom to make it contractural.

I have tried so many ways to explain it is not telling ANYONE what to do on their land it is an agreement. This implies that someone owned a property and later someone came along and made dictates to them. What you said is not how it works.

Indentured servitude is an 'agreement' also. There is a reason some 'agreements' are considered beyond the pale

 

[phylodog]

You are wanting your cake and eat it too. The owner of the property put the covenants in place and the choice is to buy with those covenants or not buy.

I knew of a farmer that sold five acres near his house to a friend to build a house in, he stipulated in covenants he created no livestock could be raised on that property. When the friend later sold anyone who bought it was held to that covenant to not raise livestock because it was attached to the deed, just like the covenants for a neighborhood.


At the end of the day, the busy-bodies are either in the right or the wrong. I suspect most times in our area they are right and the homeowner is wrong, but there are situations I have seen.

Some people love socialism, some don’t. Same goes with HOAs and there is no amount of talking in the world that’s going to change my position.

 

[WebSnyper]

 

[manifest destiny]

If I park my trailer on the street for 30min while I run to get some screws and I get a nastygram in that time, I'm sure as hell not going to blame myself.

 

[Ingomike]

Some people love socialism, some don’t. Same goes with HOAs and there is no amount of talking in the world that’s going to change my position.

You are welcome to your opinion of covenants and HOA’s but so am I. We have over 350 posts many making incorrect statements and others just irrational about an HOA and covenants. You can make any choice you want but don’t take my choice either. It is also a freedom to want an agreement on land use when one sells property.

 

[Ingomike]

If I park my trailer on the street for 30min while I run to get some screws and I get a nastygram in that time, I'm sure as hell not going to blame myself.

Are you a man of your word? I signed my name that I would follow the covenants and then did not. My bad, I own it.

 

[Ingomike]

Mike, you always gloss over the fact that no one ever voted an HOA into existence. They are established by the developer at the time construction commences on the development, allotment, neighborhood etc and presented as a fait accompli to buyers

What would be the chances of a resolution to dissolve the HOA being accepted? Would it have to be agreed upon by the BoD in order to be even brought to a vote? How likely is it that the HOA would allow a vote that might end its existence? Do HOAs have the equivalent of a voter referendum? If not, why not?

No they did not vote it in, they could if they are the property owner. The owner that sold the property to them did choose or vote, as you say, and they did sign an agreement to abide by the covenants when they bought, it was a choice.

I have said many times that there is a procedure for changing or abolishing the covenants and the HOA, it simply requires a number of members of the HOA to agree, and I doubt that enough feel the way many on INGO do to make the change in most neighborhoods. Wouldn’t that imply that majorities are reasonably satisfied with their HOA?

 

[jkaetz]

No they did not vote it in, they could if they are the property owner. The owner that sold the property to them did choose or vote, as you say, and they did sign an agreement to abide by the covenants when they bought, it was a choice.

BS. I built my first house with a developer, i was not giving the option to vote on the covenants, they were take it or leave it.

 

[Ingomike]

BS. I built my first house with a developer, i was not giving the option to vote on the covenants, they were take it or leave it.

No they did not vote it in, they could if they are the property owner. The owner that sold the property to them did choose or vote, as you say, and they did sign an agreement to abide by the covenants when they bought, it was a choice.

You had a choice that certainly was take it or leave it. The owner, of the property, either of their own volition or at the developers request, chose to put the covenants in place. That is exactly what I said. Is it not the right of the property owner to put covenants in place?

 

[firecadet613]

BS. I built my first house with a developer, i was not giving the option to vote on the covenants, they were take it or leave it.

Sounds like an option to me...