What Can a Glock Do That a 1911 or BHP Cannot?

[tv1217]

They're the only ones that matter.

Well despite the post above(which seems to be a powder issue)

You have HK and Sig, which matter more

 

[mammynun]

just a bit injured....H&K USP in 40 S&W...was a catastrophic failure to say the least...



read the story here... The Gun Zone -- The USP40 kB!s and AA#5

OUCH! I'm glad I was shooting a metal framed Sig! With gloves on. My only other kaboom was in the mid 80's, and it was also mostly metal gun. M-249 SAW.... talk about apples and oranges! I love my 1911 (even if it's a Taurus), but my M&P .40 is getting most of my full-sized range time these days.

 

[GlenD65]

OUCH! I'm glad I was shooting a metal framed Sig! With gloves on. My only other kaboom was in the mid 80's, and it was also mostly metal gun. M-249 SAW.... talk about apples and oranges! I love my 1911 (even if it's a Taurus), but my M&P .40 is getting most of my full-sized range time these days.

I have been shooting revolvers for about 25 years and never experienced a "kaboom". Is this more of an auto loader problem or am I just lucky so far?

 

[Joe Williams]

I have been shooting revolvers for about 25 years and never experienced a "kaboom". Is this more of an auto loader problem or am I just lucky so far?

Plenty of revolvers have spontaneously disassembled themselves. Usually after dropping double charges while reloading or firing a bullet down an obstructed barrel.

 

[GlenD65]

Plenty of revolvers have spontaneously disassembled themselves. Usually after dropping double charges while reloading or firing a bullet down an obstructed barrel.

Good to know. I don't reload so I guess my chances of kabooming are somewhat decreased.

 

[sgt.porter]

I carried an M9 for 6 years. Shot a few thousand rounds through it and only had 1 malfunction that I can remember. Yesterday, I shot my brother-in-law's Glock 22. First time I've ever touched a Glock. Honestly, I wasn't impressed. The grip felt good in my hand, but I didn't like the lighter weight, or the recoil, or the trigger, and I couldn't hit crap with it.
Not saying that the Glock is bad, maybe just a matter of preference. If given the choice, from my experience, I would carry a 1911 instead of a Glock.
Doesn't really matter though, I'm in love with my revolvers and will probably never carry an auto again.

 

[kingnereli]

Good to know. I don't reload so I guess my chances of kabooming are somewhat decreased.

That's what sets glock kabooms apart. If you shove enough powder in anything it will blow up a fair number of glock kabooms have happened with factory loaded ammunition.

 

[XtremeVel]

I have been shooting revolvers for about 25 years and never experienced a "kaboom". Is this more of an auto loader problem or am I just lucky so far?

Both are subject to a kaboom.

Luck has a little to do with it. But I would guess following safe practices has more to do with it for you.


I do think auto loaders throw a few issues into the risk that a revolver doesnt. First, thru my experience, if the crimp on a revolver isn't enough and the bullet moves, I have found it usually" walks out " under recoil, not going back into the case possibly creating a drastic pressure issue like a auto loader can do. Secondly, some auto loaders aren't so well supported back by the feed ramp, where as revolvers support that area of the case better. Finally, I do think that since revolvers don't throw their brass everywhere, it's easier to make sure you don't accidently get a case that you don't know the history of. Seems like everytime I go to the range, I come back with a few cases that I don't know where they came from nor how many times they possibly could have been reloaded. If I go to the range with 100 twice loaded starline brass for my Ruger .44 mag, I come home with exactly 100 starline cases.

 

[Hornett]

What an glock do that a 1911 can't?

DOUBLE DUTY AS A SALAD BOWL.

 

[GlenD65]

Both are subject to a kaboom.

Luck has a little to do with it. But I would guess following safe practices has more to do with it for you.


I do think auto loaders throw a few issues into the risk that a revolver doesnt. First, thru my experience, if the crimp on a revolver isn't enough and the bullet moves, I have found it usually" walks out " under recoil, not going back into the case possibly creating a drastic pressure issue like a auto loader can do. Secondly, some auto loaders aren't so well supported back by the feed ramp, where as revolvers support that area of the case better. Finally, I do think that since revolvers don't throw their brass everywhere, it's easier to make sure you don't accidently get a case that you don't know the history of. Seems like everytime I go to the range, I come back with a few cases that I don't know where they came from nor how many times they possibly could have been reloaded. If I go to the range with 100 twice loaded starline brass for my Ruger .44 mag, I come home with exactly 100 starline cases.

More good info. Thanks!

 

[XtremeVel]

That's what sets glock kabooms apart. If you shove enough powder in anything it will blow up a fair number of glock kabooms have happened with factory loaded ammunition.

That's the second time on just this page someone has made reference to either a overcharge or double charge. I know basiclly too much powder will cause a kaboom in a heartbeat. But, I do wonder if anyone has any thoughts whether too much powder causes more Kabooms than " bullet-setback ? I ask this because I fear bullet set-back MUCH more than a accidently double charge. With the powders I use, a accident double charge isn't possible ( In my auto loaders, a revolver is a different story). I also verify ea round to make sure it does have a charge.

I just wonder how many times a over charge gets blamed when the catrosropic pressure was caused by the bullet being seated too deep. Once everything had grenaded, I can understand how it would be hard to figure out.

 

[hodgej1843]

Drop onto concrete without the owner crying a little bit?

man aint that the truth.if i dropped my 1911 i would be really upset.

 

[Rich.Carpenter]

All things being equal. I would own a 1911. Unfortunately, they're not equal, for me anyway. I prefer the 1911 action, but I more prefer a lighter gun for carry.

 

[mammynun]

That's the second time on just this page someone has made reference to either a overcharge or double charge. I know basiclly too much powder will cause a kaboom in a heartbeat. But, I do wonder if anyone has any thoughts whether too much powder causes more Kabooms than " bullet-setback ? I ask this because I fear bullet set-back MUCH more than a accidently double charge. With the powders I use, a accident double charge isn't possible ( In my auto loaders, a revolver is a different story). I also verify ea round to make sure it does have a charge.

I just wonder how many times a over charge gets blamed when the catrosropic pressure was caused by the bullet being seated too deep. Once everything had grenaded, I can understand how it would be hard to figure out.

Mine was "bullet setback." Wolf didn't come out and specifically admit it, but they did apologize.

 

[jbranham5173]

the series 70 1911s are very reliable pistols,the series 80 wich most manufactures are building alot of are so-so.the marine recon and hrt have gone to 1911s and la swat went with a 1911 both went with kimbers built on the 70 series . but it does not matter what pistol it is its hard to beat the 45acp for knock down you dont even hollow points to get the results you want. but the main point is if it was not for john browning genius with 1911 alot of pistols would not be around today.
keep your powder dry and enjoy shooting period whatever brand of weapon you have

 

[willforu1]

I agree with this

All things being equal. I would own a 1911. Unfortunately, they're not equal, for me anyway. I prefer the 1911 action, but I more prefer a lighter gun for carry.

This is well said. I have a 5" and a 4.5" and I love them but I just got a glock 26 for concealed carry.

 

[HICKMAN]

Just sayin', I got nothin' against Glocks and their operators. However, it's apples and oranges.

The real deal is how many quote "statistics" vs. those who actually put them to test in class, on the range and at a match.

don't try being all logical Burl, that doesn't work.... and is boring.

If we got rid of all the Glock threads on INGO, we'd be at less that 500K posts

said it before and I'll say it again, I'm glad we still live in a country where we can argue about our favorite guns.... Britain and Australia no longer have that privilege.

 

[LPMan59]

i <3 my Glocks and *gasp* my 1911s.

 

[Mr. Habib]

That's the second time on just this page someone has made reference to either a overcharge or double charge. I know basiclly too much powder will cause a kaboom in a heartbeat. But, I do wonder if anyone has any thoughts whether too much powder causes more Kabooms than " bullet-setback ? I ask this because I fear bullet set-back MUCH more than a accidently double charge. With the powders I use, a accident double charge isn't possible ( In my auto loaders, a revolver is a different story). I also verify ea round to make sure it does have a charge.

I just wonder how many times a over charge gets blamed when the catrosropic pressure was caused by the bullet being seated too deep. Once everything had grenaded, I can understand how it would be hard to figure out.

Here is an interesting chart from CCI showing pressure vs bullet seating depth for their .357 Sig round. With the .357 Sig being a higher pressure round, I would have thought that with enough set back it would turn into a grenade, however this graph shows that it never even comes close to the proof pressures.

 

[kingnereli]

That's the second time on just this page someone has made reference to either a overcharge or double charge. I know basiclly too much powder will cause a kaboom in a heartbeat. But, I do wonder if anyone has any thoughts whether too much powder causes more Kabooms than " bullet-setback ? I ask this because I fear bullet set-back MUCH more than a accidently double charge. With the powders I use, a accident double charge isn't possible ( In my auto loaders, a revolver is a different story). I also verify ea round to make sure it does have a charge.

I just wonder how many times a over charge gets blamed when the catrosropic pressure was caused by the bullet being seated too deep. Once everything had grenaded, I can understand how it would be hard to figure out.

I honestly don't know and am not aware of any statistics showing which causes more kabooms. You make a good point. I was commenting on the known cases of glocks kabooming with factory loaded ammo.