Two bodies found in Carroll County

[Farmerjon]

Well fair is fair. He needs representation. Even if he intends to cooperate fully he should still have someone.

Nothing has been proven yet. In fact nothing has even been alleged publicly in any detail beyond "we think he did it". Yes I know everyone thinks they wouldn't have arrested him if they didn't have something big and that's probably true, but lets wait and see.

Yeah, sorry. I just was venting instead of thinking it out clearly.

 

[bcannon]

I hope you're never on a jury. Good Lord.

I can't say I'd disagree with you on that, especially on the jury for this guy. I'm admittedly biased. I was roommates with Libertys parents when she was born and helped out when I could before I moved. I stayed in touch and watched her grow.
I should've kept my mouth shut to begin with today. I apologize if I offended anyone.

Thank you HoughMade for the info

 

[Creedmoor]

https://www.in.gov/publicdefender/files/indigent-defense-non-cap.pdf

[ETA]

This one may have application.

https://www.in.gov/publicdefender/files/pdc-standards-cap.pdf

Thank you.

 

[manifest destiny]

I can't say I'd disagree with you on that, especially on the jury for this guy. I'm admittedly biased. I was roommates with Libertys parents when she was born and helped out when I could before I moved. I stayed in touch and watched her grow.
I should've kept my mouth shut to begin with today. I apologize if I offended anyone.

Thank you HoughMade for the info

That is very close to this. I better understand your position now. I just hope that if the accused did the crime the authorities have the evidence to prove it. So far the state has been reluctant to offer probable cause. And the charges seem peculiar if they in fact have him dead to rights. Time will tell, but I'm guessing there is strong evidence.

 

[HoughMade]

That is very close to this. I better understand your position now. I just hope that if the accused did the crime the authorities have the evidence to prove it. So far the state has been reluctant to offer probable cause. And the charges seem peculiar if they in fact have him dead to rights. Time will tell, but I'm guessing there is strong evidence.

Rank and rampant speculation on my part. Nothing to back it up, just a guess.

I wonder is there's some possibility of another person being charged for something like a cover up or destroying evidence and they are not ready to file that charge yet.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

That is very close to this. I better understand your position now. I just hope that if the accused did the crime the authorities have the evidence to prove it. So far the state has been reluctant to offer probable cause. And the charges seem peculiar if they in fact have him dead to rights. Time will tell, but I'm guessing there is strong evidence.

From my (very) limited knowledge of the charges, under what he is charged with they don't have to prove premeditation. Just that they died in the commission of one of the felonies listed.

Rank and rampant speculation on my part. Nothing to back it up, just a guess.

I wonder is there's some possibility of another person being charged for something like a cover up or destroying evidence and they are not ready to file that charge yet.

I wonder that as well. They may be hoping/planning that he'll testify in exchange for a plea agreement, even just taking the death penalty off the table.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I can't say I'd disagree with you on that, especially on the jury for this guy. I'm admittedly biased. I was roommates with Libertys parents when she was born and helped out when I could before I moved. I stayed in touch and watched her grow.
I should've kept my mouth shut to begin with today. I apologize if I offended anyone.

Thank you HoughMade for the info

Sorry for your loss brother. I cannot imagine the hurt and anger you must carry.

 

[actaeon277]

Anger aside, you have to make sure you get the RIGHT person/people.
Or are we into blindly trusting the government?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Anger aside, you have to make sure you get the RIGHT person/people.
Or are we into blindly trusting the government?

ISP can't win. First people were pissed that it took 5 years to make an arrest, now people are questioning whether they arrested the correct person.

 

[Cameramonkey]

ISP can't win. First people were pissed that it took 5 years to make an arrest, now people are questioning whether they arrested the correct person.

I took his statement as a generality regarding prosecutors and the machine and whether it is competent. You know, like all the cases turning up where prosecutors hid or fabricated evidence, etc that allowed them to get the conviction, only to have it overturned decades later.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I took his statement as a generality regarding prosecutors and the machine and whether it is competent. You know, like all the cases turning up where prosecutors hid or fabricated evidence, etc that allowed them to get the conviction, only to have it overturned decades later.

The case hasn't even gone to trial, so that doesn't apply to this instance.

 

[Cameramonkey]

The case hasn't even gone to trial, so that doesn't apply to this instance.

but isnt the prosecutor that ultimately decides whether it gets charged?

Either way, I dont see THIS one as somebody throwing LEO under the bus this time. Maybe I'm just being too optimistic?

 

[bcannon]

ISP can't win. First people were pissed that it took 5 years to make an arrest, now people are questioning whether they arrested the correct person.

I was pissed but not at the ISP, DPD, or the FBI but the situation. To add to that, I don't blindly trust anyone but I do believe that they have the guy in the colored wanted picture. Do I believe he is the only person involved? No I don't.

 

[actaeon277]

ISP can't win. First people were pissed that it took 5 years to make an arrest, now people are questioning whether they arrested the correct person.

I'm merely pointing out, that EVERYONE gets a defense.
Whether we like the accused, or not.

Are ALL of the accused guilty, or are they all innocent?
No.
So, theoretically, the court system is supposed to find out.

 

[KLB]

ISP can't win. First people were pissed that it took 5 years to make an arrest, now people are questioning whether they arrested the correct person.

Damn Frank. That was a terribly pessimistic interpretation of what he wrote.

 

[Farmerjon]

bcannon, so very sorry for your and the family's loss.

 

[bcannon]

Sorry for your loss brother. I cannot imagine the hurt and anger you must carry.

bcannon, so very sorry for your and the family's loss.

While I appreciate your sentiments I ask you to keep your prayers and positive energy focused on the families of Libby and Abby as they are the ones most in need of them. I ask that you also direct your positive energy towards the authorities, they are doing the best job they can.

 

[DragonGunner]

ISP can't win. First people were pissed that it took 5 years to make an arrest, now people are questioning whether they arrested the correct person.

Well a jury is going to be questioning it also, so what’s the rant about? Or is he guilty in your eyes already and that’s enough?

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

but isnt the prosecutor that ultimately decides whether it gets charged?

Either way, I dont see THIS one as somebody throwing LEO under the bus this time. Maybe I'm just being too optimistic?

He has been charged. No evidence has been presented (or witheld). I didn't say ISP was being thrown under the bus. I remarked that people bitched it took 5 years to make an arrest, and now it is being questioned that the correct person was arrested.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I'm merely pointing out, that EVERYONE gets a defense.
Whether we like the accused, or not.

Are ALL of the accused guilty, or are they all innocent?
No.
So, theoretically, the court system is supposed to find out.

I was referring to your question about whether we should "blindly trust the government."