Two bodies found in Carroll County

[HoughMade]

So a citizen may be fined and serve jail time for not showing up for jury duty but a judge may refuse to show up for something he has been paid good money to do because he’s a candy a.. Then on top of it a girl is going to take his place. Am I missing something? What are the odds he’ll still sit down to dinner at the country club with the same smugness. Little girly man!

Ah...the ability of some people to confidently ridicule when they know absolutely nothing. It's amusing, but not admirable.

 

[oze]

So a citizen may be fined and serve jail time for not showing up for jury duty but a judge may refuse to show up for something he has been paid good money to do because he’s a candy a.. Then on top of it a girl is going to take his place. Am I missing something? What are the odds he’ll still sit down to dinner at the country club with the same smugness. Little girly man!

"...a girl..." ???

 

[bwframe]

Called that one.

On WIBC (over the radio, no link) they are reporting the judge was concerned about his and his family's safety. "Blood-lust for information, YouTube videos about his family. Doesn't feel safe."

The Indiana Supreme Court stated they are in the process of appointing Allen County Judge Fran Gull as a special judge in the case. Neither Judge Gull or Judge Diener can speak to the press about the merits of the case.

Judge recuses self from Delphi murder suspect case

CARROLL COUNTY, Ind. — The same day that Judge Benjamin Diener ordered Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen transferred into state custody for public servants’ protection, Diener recused himse…

fox59.com

Judge intimidation, obviously a real thing. Yet all of those "Trump judges" ruled against election fraud in their districts?


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[manifest destiny]

If the reason for recusal is simply fear, why will a new judge be less fearful? How many and what kind of threats must there be for a judge to recuse himself? I'd venture to guess judges of all types, in all places get routine threats. But what if judges look at a case on their docket and say to themselves, "Uh, hot-potato! I don't want the attention this case will bring. So, I'm scared and demand this case be given to another judge." The Carroll County judge does appear to be ducking responsibility. But I don't know enough (yet) to say he is a candy ***.

 

[Ingomike]

Judge intimidation, obviously a real thing. Yet all of those "Trump judges" ruled against election fraud in their districts?


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They did not. They used the BS standing excuse and never heard a case…

 

[HoughMade]

If the reason for recusal is simply fear, why will a new judge be less fearful? How many and what kind of threats must there be for a judge to recuse himself? I'd venture to guess judges of all types, in all places get routine threats. But what if judges look at a case on their docket and say to themselves, "Uh, hot-potato! I don't want the attention this case will bring. So, I'm scared and demand this case be given to another judge." The Carroll County judge does appear to be ducking responsibility. But I don't know enough (yet) to say he is a candy ***.

Oh I don't know. Threats to the judge's family which lives in the area local to the case versus a judge across the state who has no interaction in Carroll County.

 

[manifest destiny]

Oh I don't know. Threats to the judge's family which lives in the area local to the case versus a judge across the state who has no interaction in Carroll County.

I think I may not have communicated well. Please read post 1358. Cleary, I'm not discounting threats against a judge or his family.

 

[wcd]

Here is the one I mentioned.

Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins | Iowa Cold Cases

Lyric Cook, 10, and her cousin, Elizabeth Collins, 8, disappeared from Evansdale, IA, July 13, 2012. Their remains were found Dec. 5, 2012 in Bremer County, IA.

iowacoldcases.org

Thank you, I read a lot and will put that one on my list. I read a lot of non fiction.

 

[injb]

Looks like he has requested a public defender:

 

[Farmerjon]

Looks like he has requested a public defender:

View attachment 235729

Aw shucks, he is being inconvenienced. The family will pay for his crimes, that is the shrapnel effect.

 

[injb]

Aw shucks, he is being inconvenienced. The family will pay for his crimes, that is the shrapnel effect.

Well fair is fair. He needs representation. Even if he intends to cooperate fully he should still have someone.

Nothing has been proven yet. In fact nothing has even been alleged publicly in any detail beyond "we think he did it". Yes I know everyone thinks they wouldn't have arrested him if they didn't have something big and that's probably true, but lets wait and see.

 

[bcannon]

Looks like he has requested a public defender:

View attachment 235729

He can take out a second mortgage or sell anything of worth in his possession. I hope the judge doesn't burden the community with tax payer money to help him. Yes there hasn't been any charges publicized but there has been enough evidence to incarcerate him with a very large bail set. Jmo but he needs to pay for his own defense, he's taken enough from the community.

 

[Creedmoor]

He can take out a second mortgage or sell anything of worth in his possession. I hope the judge doesn't burden the community with tax payer money to help him. Yes there hasn't been any charges publicized but there has been enough evidence to incarcerate him with a very large bail set. Jmo but he needs to pay for his own defense, he's taken enough from the community.

Any other Amendments you feel we should bypass besides The 6th?

 

[HoughMade]

There is a very defined process for determining whether state-appointed counsel is appropriate. I am fine letting the process work as it does in any other case.

As an aside, there is no excuse for anyone making or implying threats against his family. It does not surprise me, though.

 

[bcannon]

Any other Amendments you feel we should bypass besides The 6th?

Not saying bypass the 6th, he does have a reserve or value to borrow against. Why should he be able to put the burden on the community instead of doing his due diligence and obtaining his own funds for representation?

 

[Creedmoor]

Not saying bypass the 6th, he does have a reserve or value to borrow against. Why should he be able to put the burden on the community instead of doing his due diligence and obtaining his own funds for representation?

Thats exactly what you're saying. The burden is on the prosecution to prove ones guilt.
So in your world, one can be found not guilty but be bankrupt in the end.

The first right to counsel statute was passed in Rhode Island in 1660.

 

[injb]

Thats exactly what you're saying. The burden is on the prosecution to prove ones guilt.
So in your world, one can be found not guilty but be bankrupt in the end.

The first right to counsel statute was passed in Rhode Island in 1660.

Not just his world. I agree that it's wrong, but I think you can actually end up being found not guilty and still bankrupt yourself in your defence. You don't get a refund from the state when you're acquitted!

Personally I think it's not even fair that a public defender isn't guaranteed (although I would probably spend everything I have for even a slight increase at my chances of acquittal if I was accused of a serious crime).

 

[bcannon]

Thats exactly what you're saying. The burden is on the prosecution to prove ones guilt.
So in your world, one can be found not guilty but be bankrupt in the end.

The first right to counsel statute was passed in Rhode Island in 1660.

So a person that owns his own home and had a very good paying occupation at the time of arrest shouldn't be made to cover his own defense? Yes it's the prosecution burden to prove his guilt but it's he shouldn't get free defense if he can pay for it himself.

 

[HoughMade]

So a person that owns his own home and had a very good paying occupation at the time of arrest shouldn't be made to cover his own defense? Yes it's the prosecution burden to prove his guilt but it's he shouldn't get free defense if he can pay for it himself.

https://www.in.gov/publicdefender/files/indigent-defense-non-cap.pdf

[ETA]

This one may have application.

https://www.in.gov/publicdefender/files/pdc-standards-cap.pdf

 

[manifest destiny]

Jmo but he needs to pay for his own defense, he's taken enough from the community.

I hope you're never on a jury. Good Lord.