Damn right I blame the media. They spout half truths, get people riled up, and then they might post a retraction down the road, after the damage is already done. Having said that, could the administration handle this better? Absolutely.
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Damn right I blame the media. They spout half truths, get people riled up, and then they might post a retraction down the road, after the damage is already done. Having said that, could the administration handle this better? Absolutely.
This is incorrect. That ruling did NOT require the separation of children from their family, it allows for it, but does not require it. Thats the noteworthy difference. I can easily admit, that the law allow for separation, but it lacks the requirement.
This is where the fake news and crazy ideas come from.
When you or anyone else breaks the law, you are put in jail. Rob a bank and what happens? Are your children allowed to go to jail with you? I believe the "law" states how long the children can legally be separated....until they are cleared and ready to be sent back.
Separating families when unlawful acts of crime are committed is nothing new......in any country. People need to stop spreading crazy ideas and fake news.
Trump did nothing wrong here and actually went out on a limb to help. Congress needs to act in this case.
SheepDog4Life
Natural Gray Man
And that is incorrect.
It allows minor children to be DETAINED (with their families) for a maximum of 20 days, then it REQUIRES the CHILDREN be released into the US until the court date for the asylum claim.
It allows for the family to stay together ONLY if the adult parents are also released into the US, never to return for their court date(s) for criminal proceedings, deportment or asylum.
IMO, this is by design and the intent of the Clinton administration entering into the consent decree in Flores. It also created a perverse incentive: "drag your kids across the desert and we'll let you in".
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SheepDog4Life
Natural Gray Man
Just to be clear, the Flores consent decree on unaccompanied minors, paired with the Ninth Circuit decision extending Flores to minors accompanied by parent/guardian, ALLOWS only two options past the 20 day limit for detaining the children:
1. releasing the adults and children together into the country pending the adjudication of the asylum claim, or
2. holding the adults and releasing the children.
The low percentage of asylum seekers who enter illegally that then return for the asylum court proceedings shines truth on the lie that the original asylum claim is most often a sham just to gain entry, and nothing more.
1. releasing the adults and children together into the country pending the adjudication of the asylum claim, or
2. holding the adults and releasing the children.
The low percentage of asylum seekers who enter illegally that then return for the asylum court proceedings shines truth on the lie that the original asylum claim is most often a sham just to gain entry, and nothing more.
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SheepDog4Life
Natural Gray Man
USA Today | Largest immigrant ICE raid in recent history detains parents at Ohio meat-packing plants
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/06/20/ice-ohio-arrests-100-meat-packing-plants/717479002/
Yup, ICE went looking specifically for parents in the raid.
US mainstream news media is now on par with Soviet era Tass.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/06/20/ice-ohio-arrests-100-meat-packing-plants/717479002/
Yup, ICE went looking specifically for parents in the raid.
US mainstream news media is now on par with Soviet era Tass.
No, it's actually not. The statement, you made, does not run contrary to my quoted post. One of the more interesting things I should have mentioned, is that believe it or not, that children arrived illegal with their parents, were labeled "unaccompanied" once they were separated from their families.
Regardless of all the rhetoric, Trump is not responsible for this mess. It is nothing more than another attempt of the democrats to create further distraction and division within this country through smoke and mirrors (devious manipulation of the masses) to gain power.
The left is spewing hatred every chance it gets. The left is creating problems with evil intent. The left is creating a hostile environment that can ignite violence.
The message is clear - the left HATES anyone who disagrees with them and is creating hostility against those who disagree.
If one takes a step back and looks at what is going on, it is difficult not to envision the beginning of a violent coup attempt.
Wake up America!
The left is spewing hatred every chance it gets. The left is creating problems with evil intent. The left is creating a hostile environment that can ignite violence.
The message is clear - the left HATES anyone who disagrees with them and is creating hostility against those who disagree.
If one takes a step back and looks at what is going on, it is difficult not to envision the beginning of a violent coup attempt.
Wake up America!
If by "mess," you mean the immigration issues we are currently having, then yes, I would agree. The rest of your post, I disagree. I don't think the left is evil. I don't think they are any more prone to violence than the right, and I certainly don't think their end game is a violent coup.
While I will not suggest the "entire" left is evil, I do believe a large part of the left is willing to do whatever it takes. When you have violent comments, vulgarity, talks of raping the president's son, spewing words of hatred to those who disagree......to me that is evil. The difficulty for me is 2 fold. 1) this kind of talk encourages violence and 2) I do not hear many speak out against the evil, hostile rhetoric from the left.
I did not state their goal was a violent coup. I did say if one was to step back and look at what is going on, it would be difficult not to envision the "beginning" of a violent coup. There is allot of hatred out there stemming from the left, IMO and the opinion of others.
I may not be the best for expressing written thoughts, but I truly believe many people feel as though I do. The perception is real, even when it's denied.
Why a violent coup? All they have to do is keep doing what they are doing and be a little patient.
What gets stuck in my craw about the whole thing is that so many of the “refugees” are from several countries away (Guatemala, El Salvador, etc).
I can understand fleeing a dangerous situation, but aren’t refugees supposed to seek asylum in the safest bordering country? It seems to me many of these people are passing through the relative safety of Mexico (which has a sovereign and functional government) to continue on to the US.
Crossing a perfectly serviceable potential sanctuary to choose a different place to seek asylum seems a lot like economic tourism (to me, at least), and something that could easily be addressed through non-emergency channels.
The only countries we should accept refugees from should be our bordering countries, and I would argue there is little actual humanitarian need to support 1500 “refugees” a day.
Something in this math doesn’t add up.
I can understand fleeing a dangerous situation, but aren’t refugees supposed to seek asylum in the safest bordering country? It seems to me many of these people are passing through the relative safety of Mexico (which has a sovereign and functional government) to continue on to the US.
Crossing a perfectly serviceable potential sanctuary to choose a different place to seek asylum seems a lot like economic tourism (to me, at least), and something that could easily be addressed through non-emergency channels.
The only countries we should accept refugees from should be our bordering countries, and I would argue there is little actual humanitarian need to support 1500 “refugees” a day.
Something in this math doesn’t add up.
The left views the right the same way. They see you as violent and hate filled.
Are you really like that? No, of course you're not. You're passionate, maybe sometimes engage in hostile rhetoric, but you certainly don't want a violent coup, you believe in democracy.
Just like you aren't like how they view you, they aren't like how you view them.
(I use the collective "you", not necessary directed at Ziggidy)
...like why cross over countries that speak your language in favor of one that doesn't?
Totally agree with PaulF. Especially when those "cross over countries" then point the finger at us and accuse us of being cruel.
