rhinoroach
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I hope to be there.
I am planning to go to the Gallatin shoot June 14th, is anyone else going?
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I hope to be there.
I am planning to go to the Gallatin shoot June 14th, is anyone else going?
I think I will but I need to get my registration and fee sent in. Fairly sure Jeff said he was going as well.
I really should have got in on the MO match as well. Thought I could pick up plenty of points from TN, now I'm scrambling for local majors.
DustyDawg48
Master
Drag your feet on Saturday so I'm not too far behind when I get there! Best case is I'm pulling in around 11:00 but I don't want to miss a chance to shoot!
I should be there, I feel I need some redemption after my performance last time out. I did get out to RB last Sunday and came to the conclusion that I just don't shoot the M&P's as well as the CZ. I probably ran ~150 thru the M&P9 with less than stellar accuracy. Swapped out to the czech for about 50 or so and ended up way more on mark.
I will admit the ratio of trigger time between the two isn't balanced. It's just crazy that there is that much difference. I was just basically doing quick draws with 2-3 shot drills, with a few reloads mixed in.
I will admit the ratio of trigger time between the two isn't balanced. It's just crazy that there is that much difference. I was just basically doing quick draws with 2-3 shot drills, with a few reloads mixed in.
Good deal! I'd like to see Brad take a division win and this might be the one.
Anyone besides me ever have a "duh" moment? For some reason I had it in my mind that points for nats started in January. This, in turn, led me to contemplate further how all of us were going to have to feverishly gain points to make it in, especially with the new tier/point system. Just didn't seem right, so I looked at the IDPA website.
Points accumulate FROM the end of May 2013. This gives me the US Nats, Music City, GA State, Kolonel, IN State, IL State and the Sizzler. So, I should be OK points wise....mentally I'm about the same as always
DustyDawg48
Master
You are probably spoiled on the CZ Goodness
I'm going to be slinging the M&P9 this weekend. It sounds odd but the thinner G34 is giving me fits...I can't seen to quite get the same grip I once was on the gun and the wider M&P9 is a bit more comfortable so it should be very interesting come Saturday on how well I do with a gun that I haven't shot in over a year!
Anyone besides me ever have a "duh" moment?
Well see, when you hit 60, you will reverse that comment to "Anyone besides me not had a "duh" moment in the last 30 seconds?"
Fits because of the hand injury or just something new that's cropped up? You have been pretty smoking with that 34 since you got it. I thought about asking you to borrow it tomorrow, but seeing you'll be rolling in late that won't work too well.You are probably spoiled on the CZ Goodness
I'm going to be slinging the M&P9 this weekend. It sounds odd but the thinner G34 is giving me fits...I can't seen to quite get the same grip I once was on the gun and the wider M&P9 is a bit more comfortable so it should be very interesting come Saturday on how well I do with a gun that I haven't shot in over a year!
DustyDawg48
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From the injury, which is weird. I've pulled or stretched something from my fingers to my shoulder from the way it still feels. I have an appointment next Thursday so I'm hoping they'll let me know if there is anything to do to help it or if I'm just stuck with using it until it heals over time.
DustyDawg48
Master
What a fantastic day for a shoot! Thank you so much to the Red Brush crew for making that happen! And +1 to Don for getting the scores out lightning quick!
Dang, you hit one good guy and they're all like "5 seconds to your score!"
And then you take 1 step before reloading and they're all like "3 seconds to your score!"
And yes, thanks Don, you post scores almost as fast as you shoot!
And then you take 1 step before reloading and they're all like "3 seconds to your score!"
And yes, thanks Don, you post scores almost as fast as you shoot!
DustyDawg48
Master
Dang, you hit one good guy and they're all like "5 seconds to your score!"
And then you take 1 step before reloading and they're all like "3 seconds to your score!"
And yes, thanks Don, you post scores almost as fast as you shoot!
I know it! The procedural I got dinged with in he cover call hurt! But I'll take what I earned with Down 7 considering I hadn't shot the M&P forever! Great time!
No doubt it was a great shoot, I hope everyone had as good of a time as I did! Enjoyed the squad as well, always nice to be SO/Experienced Scorekeeper heavy. Thanks to all the RB crew!
I think we all learned some things today. Mike learned where he needs to be, I found where I need to be. I think a few learned some things as well, particularly mag stowage in pockets as might not being the best thing to do
According to the score sheets, I have been bumped down to EX. Seems fitting for today's run
I think we all learned some things today. Mike learned where he needs to be, I found where I need to be. I think a few learned some things as well, particularly mag stowage in pockets as might not being the best thing to do
According to the score sheets, I have been bumped down to EX. Seems fitting for today's run
So, here's some fun 
stuff from today.
Let's go to the stage where we began seated, gun and mag on table, two targets in front. There was some discussion on engaging those targets in tac-seq. The COF didn't call for that and I shared with some shooters that it would be a procedural to do so because you have to engage every target with the required number of rounds before engaging another. I got this from:
3.4.3.1.
A cardboard target is deemed to have been engaged when the required number of shots for that target has been fired at it.
Straightforward, right? Well, maybe I was wrong because a few paragraphs below this rule they offer this to muddy the waters:
3.4.4.2.
When engaging a target array of equal priority, the shooter may not be penalized based on the shooter’s order of target engagement, i.e., the shooter need not complete the engagement of any particular target before proceeding to engage another target in the array. However, at completion of the engagement of the target array, the shooter must have engaged all targets in the array with the required number of shots to avoid receiving a penalty.
Now, when a person of average common sense reads this, at first they think it is referring to engaging from left to right or vice'versa on equal threat targets. But, it's not. Then, a thinking man might say "this is talking about a target that becomes visible after engaging another target, like a clamshell next to a static." Again, nope. This is speaking directly to an "array" like we had on this particular stage. Could tac-seq have been used? Yes, upheld by this rule.
But would that violate the rule above? It doesn't seem that it would because this is dealing with arrays. So, handing out 3 seconds for going tac-seq on it would not have been ok...........I think.
And here's the kicker. The whole reason this entire section is in the rulebook is because, according to this sidenote,
Comment [TT12]:
This rule added to help MDs, Designers & SOs identify when a target is engaged.
stuff from today. Let's go to the stage where we began seated, gun and mag on table, two targets in front. There was some discussion on engaging those targets in tac-seq. The COF didn't call for that and I shared with some shooters that it would be a procedural to do so because you have to engage every target with the required number of rounds before engaging another. I got this from:
3.4.3.1.
A cardboard target is deemed to have been engaged when the required number of shots for that target has been fired at it.
Straightforward, right? Well, maybe I was wrong because a few paragraphs below this rule they offer this to muddy the waters:
3.4.4.2.
When engaging a target array of equal priority, the shooter may not be penalized based on the shooter’s order of target engagement, i.e., the shooter need not complete the engagement of any particular target before proceeding to engage another target in the array. However, at completion of the engagement of the target array, the shooter must have engaged all targets in the array with the required number of shots to avoid receiving a penalty.
Now, when a person of average common sense reads this, at first they think it is referring to engaging from left to right or vice'versa on equal threat targets. But, it's not. Then, a thinking man might say "this is talking about a target that becomes visible after engaging another target, like a clamshell next to a static." Again, nope. This is speaking directly to an "array" like we had on this particular stage. Could tac-seq have been used? Yes, upheld by this rule.
But would that violate the rule above? It doesn't seem that it would because this is dealing with arrays. So, handing out 3 seconds for going tac-seq on it would not have been ok...........I think.
And here's the kicker. The whole reason this entire section is in the rulebook is because, according to this sidenote,
Comment [TT12]:
This rule added to help MDs, Designers & SOs identify when a target is engaged.
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Yes, thanks to all. I had a blast. I was a first time shooter for any shooting sport, so that calm relaxed feeling did not set in till me 4th stage. Thanks to Jim W. he was patient and clear with his instructions. I was amazed at how well some shot. Speed and accuracy.
Yeah, that is some funky mud once I re-read that a couple times.
On one hand, it wasn't stated as being TacSeq, so default would be priority. But in my mind, 3.4.4.2 overrides the two shots each before continuing to next target, because it was an array. (where is my glossary definition of array in the rulebook, hrm?)
"When engaging a target array of equal priority, the shooter may not be penalized based on the shooter’s order of target engagement, i.e., the shooter need not complete the engagement of any particular target before proceeding to engage another target in the array. However, at completion of the engagement of the target array, the shooter must have engaged all targets in the array with the required number of shots to avoid receiving a penalty. "
This line tells me you can blast any way you want without fear of a PE... 2-2, 1-2-1 or 1-1-2-2, and as long as you place the required number of shots before advancing to the next episode.
Somebody submit this to Wizards of the Coast, they'll get it worked out. They have many years of rules lawyering under their belt.
On one hand, it wasn't stated as being TacSeq, so default would be priority. But in my mind, 3.4.4.2 overrides the two shots each before continuing to next target, because it was an array. (where is my glossary definition of array in the rulebook, hrm?)
"When engaging a target array of equal priority, the shooter may not be penalized based on the shooter’s order of target engagement, i.e., the shooter need not complete the engagement of any particular target before proceeding to engage another target in the array. However, at completion of the engagement of the target array, the shooter must have engaged all targets in the array with the required number of shots to avoid receiving a penalty. "
This line tells me you can blast any way you want without fear of a PE... 2-2, 1-2-1 or 1-1-2-2, and as long as you place the required number of shots before advancing to the next episode.
Somebody submit this to Wizards of the Coast, they'll get it worked out. They have many years of rules lawyering under their belt.
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