The Nuclear Iran Situation

[Trigger Time]

Well, it isn't treason... yet.

But it sure looks like a Logan Act violation. Like, one of the most obvious ones I can think of... and remarkably similar (IMHO) to what prompted the Logan Act in the first place!

Well Logan act for sure but yes I believe treason too

 

[KittySlayer]

Well, it isn't treason... yet.

But it sure looks like a Logan Act violation. Like, one of the most obvious ones I can think of... and remarkably similar (IMHO) to what prompted the Logan Act in the first place!

As I recall the liberal media and anti Trumpers were all incensed when some of the Trump team had some preliminary talks with another country(ies) as they were planning the transition between the election and inauguration. One of their early missiles at denying the results of the election.

Edit... Google to the rescue of my memory (Russia, Russia, Russia):


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ted-the-logan-act-what-is-that/?noredirect=on

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/opinion/trump-team-flynn-logan-act.html

 

[T.Lex]

As I recall the liberal media and anti Trumpers were all incensed when some of the Trump team had some preliminary talks with another country(ies) as they were planning the transition between the election and inauguration. One of their early missiles at denying the results of the election.

Edit... Google to the rescue of my memory (Russia, Russia, Russia):


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ted-the-logan-act-what-is-that/?noredirect=on

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/04/opinion/trump-team-flynn-logan-act.html

I recall participating in those conversations here.

There's a fine line for a POTUS candidate - a line that is only blurred for that position, basically. Since that person could get the foreign policy obligation, they can start those relationships "early." I think Trump himself, or someone acting on his behalf, would have a good defense to any investigation.

But Kerry at this point is just a citizen. He's got absolutely no role.

 

[spencer rifle]

Speaking of failures, notice how the Democrats use Secretary of State as the consolation prize for failed Presidential candidates?

Republicans did that also - Lincoln/Seward.

 

[NKBJ]

Well, my expectation is for Phoenix and Flagstaff going up in fire balls as prep for the Chinese coming out of Mexico.
But nobody can talk about the narco agreements with the Iranian and Chinese militaries so OK, sweet peaceful slumber.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I recall participating in those conversations here.

There's a fine line for a POTUS candidate - a line that is only blurred for that position, basically. Since that person could get the foreign policy obligation, they can start those relationships "early." I think Trump himself, or someone acting on his behalf, would have a good defense to any investigation.

But Kerry at this point is just a citizen. He's got absolutely no role.

Is it any different than Jimmy Carter's role as a "private ambassador"? Hasn't he pulled this kind of stuff too?

 

[T.Lex]

Is it any different than Jimmy Carter's role as a "private ambassador"? Hasn't he pulled this kind of stuff too?

Not that I'm familiar with, but I'm open to specific reporting about it.

From what I'm familiar with, Carter has been involved in humanitarian Non-Government Organizations ("NGOs") like Habitat for Humanity. Those, along with businesses, don't (or at least aren't supposed to) participate in policy, but can participate in overseas implementation of policy.

For instance, if the US has a policy of subsidizing AIDS drug distribution in Africa, Americans can work for those entities to make that happen. Those Americans can support that policy and advocate for the policy, but it is ultimately up to the US State Department to decide that is our policy.

Importantly, there's an organization involved that is authorized by the State Department. I'm not sure Kerry has the benefit of that.

Oh, and the UN "special ambassador" thing is a total gray area, too.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Not that I'm familiar with, but I'm open to specific reporting about it.

From what I'm familiar with, Carter has been involved in humanitarian Non-Government Organizations ("NGOs") like Habitat for Humanity. Those, along with businesses, don't (or at least aren't supposed to) participate in policy, but can participate in overseas implementation of policy.

For instance, if the US has a policy of subsidizing AIDS drug distribution in Africa, Americans can work for those entities to make that happen. Those Americans can support that policy and advocate for the policy, but it is ultimately up to the US State Department to decide that is our policy.

Importantly, there's an organization involved that is authorized by the State Department. I'm not sure Kerry has the benefit of that.

Oh, and the UN "special ambassador" thing is a total gray area, too.

I may be misremembering. I was thinking he had involved himself with some negotiations with another country at one time, but I could be totally off base.

ETA: Maybe this is what I was thinking of...

The story behind Carter's North Korean trip - CNN.com

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Interesting tidbit from the previous article:

"Sources knowledgeable about Carter's trip to Pyongyang this week to free American Aijalon Mahli Gomes expect the former president to take the same approach he used with Kim Il Sung in dealing with his son, current leader Kim Jong Il. Carter, they say, will give the North Korean leader the respect he craves, giving him a face-saving way to release Gomes"

Funny... Trump catches holy hell for this, but I don't recall anyone criticizing Carter for the same tactic.

 

[T.Lex]

Interesting tidbit from the previous article:

"Sources knowledgeable about Carter's trip to Pyongyang this week to free American Aijalon Mahli Gomes expect the former president to take the same approach he used with Kim Il Sung in dealing with his son, current leader Kim Jong Il. Carter, they say, will give the North Korean leader the respect he craves, giving him a face-saving way to release Gomes"

Funny... Trump catches holy hell for this, but I don't recall anyone criticizing Carter for the same tactic.

Well, Jimmy Carter is just better at sucking up than Trump.

But more seriously, part of my criticism of Trump in this regard is that he appeared to be doing the same things that past administrations have done. So, in a sense, by doing what Carter did, he was feeding NK's expectation that they'd be able to pull the rug out from under us like they'd done before.

What Trump did that mixed things up was to not require multi-lateral talks. His willingness to meet 1-1 was a huge change. It also appears to be paying off. (Was going to post something in the NK thread about that, too.)

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Well, Jimmy Carter is just better at sucking up than Trump.

But more seriously, part of my criticism of Trump in this regard is that he appeared to be doing the same things that past administrations have done. So, in a sense, by doing what Carter did, he was feeding NK's expectation that they'd be able to pull the rug out from under us like they'd done before.

What Trump did that mixed things up was to not require multi-lateral talks. His willingness to meet 1-1 was a huge change. It also appears to be paying off. (Was going to post something in the NK thread about that, too.)

Maybe Trump is a fan of Will Rogers...

 

[Route 45]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-ahvaz-terror-attack-revolutionary-guard-revenge-us-saudi-arabia-israel/

 

[T.Lex]

Quick note: many of the people - including some of the governments - in that part of the world believe that Daesh was created by the US.

Al Qaeda, too, for that matter.

 

[printcraft]

Quick note: many of the people - including some of the governments - in that part of the world believe that Daesh was created by the US.

Al Qaeda, too, for that matter.

barack obama responded with "no comment".

john mccain was contacted for comment but he has as of this writing not returned the call.

 

[Thor]

Iran is now threatening to launch missiles at the Saudis, UAE and Israel. If they follow through I don't see this ending well for them.

https://apnews.com/73e7825710ea4a16...hreatens-missile-strikes-on-UAE,-Saudi-Arabia

 

[Route 45]

Iran is now threatening to launch missiles at the Saudis, UAE and Israel. If they follow through I don't see this ending well for them.

https://apnews.com/73e7825710ea4a16...hreatens-missile-strikes-on-UAE,-Saudi-Arabia

Shouldn't this be in the WWIII thread?

 

[Thor]

Shouldn't this be in the WWIII thread?

Well, they can probably be merged...or go into an all things that may cause WWIII thread.

 

[BugI02]

Iran is now threatening to launch missiles at the Saudis, UAE and Israel. If they follow through I don't see this ending well for them.

https://apnews.com/73e7825710ea4a16...hreatens-missile-strikes-on-UAE,-Saudi-Arabia

32° 35′ 4.64″ N, 35° 11′ 0.58″ E

 

[Route 45]

https://www.euronews.com/2018/10/01/iran-revolutionary-guard-launches-missiles-syria-over-parade-attack-n915256

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Latest: Iran Will Restart Contested Nuclear Work Unless Cash ‘Demands Are Met’ -- Tehran will keep violating nuclear accord until banking, oil rights restored

https://freebeacon.com/national-sec...ted-nuclear-work-unless-cash-demands-are-met/