The 2017 General Political discussion thread, Part 2!

[Dddrees]

looks to be rolling right along......

Trump Administration Moves to Build Border Wall Around Environmental Regulations - NBC News

Has Mexico cut that check yet? Cause he sure ain't building no wall with no money. LOL

 

[ghitch75]

Has Mexico cut that check yet? Cause he sure ain't building no wall with no money. LOL

really????

House approves spending bill with $1.6 billion for the border wall - CNNPolitics.com

 

[ghitch75]

Obama official made 'hundreds of unmasking requests,' GOP chairman says | Fox News

 

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I used to enjoy reading and, occasionally, participating in this thread. Unfortunately now it is just name calling, hyperbole and temper tantrums.

It's really too bad.

 

[Dddrees]

really????

House approves spending bill with $1.6 billion for the border wall - CNNPolitics.com

Wow did Trump deliver on reducing the overal project from a total cost of 11 Billion dollars to under 2 Billion dollars? Don't think so, so much more money is going to be needed before that wall gets completed.


So has Trumpy found a way to get Mexico to reimburse my tax money yet?

 

[ghitch75]

Wow did Trump deliver on reducing the overal project from a total cost of 11 Billion dollars to under 2 Billion dollars? Don't think so, so much more money is going to be needed before that wall gets completed.


So has Trumpy found a way to get Mexico to reimburse my tax money yet?

it's early grasshopper.....

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Has Mexico cut that check yet? Cause he sure ain't building no wall with no money. LOL

So, what is your opinion on the wall?

0. For open borders, freely immigrating is a human right
1. Too much wall, tear some/all of it down
2. Goldilocks, just right the way it is now
3. More wall (or better walls) in some places would slow illegal entry
3.5 Build the wall all along the border except where it makes no sense and is very cost prohibitive... I.e. don't build over the tops of mountains, nor down the middle of the Rio Grande.
4. Build it, sea-to-sea

I'll go first and choose [STRIKE]#3[/STRIKE] 3.5

ETA: Added a seemingly popular 3.5, which is build the whole wall, except where it makes no sense and is very expensive. A 4-lite, if you will.

 

[Dddrees]

So, what is your opinion on the wall?

0. For open borders, freely immigrating is a human right
1. Too much wall, tear some/all of it down
2. Goldilocks, just right the way it is now
3. More wall (or better walls) in some places would slow illegal entry
4. Build it, sea-to-sea

I'll go first and choose #3

option 5 Start with a realistic discussion that recognizes that no way in h*** is Mexico going to pay for a wall that we might want.

 

[ghitch75]

opion 5 Start with a realistic discussion that recognizes that no way in h*** is Mexico going to pay for a wall that we might want.

sure they will.....just wait and see....

 

[Kutnupe14]

sure they will.....just wait and see....

At this point, I think we all should just admit that Mexico paying for the wall was just clever talking point to get people fired up, and not a legitimate accomplishable goal.

 

[2A_Tom]

It is all Prognostication.

 

[indiucky]

At this point, I think we all should just admit that Mexico paying for the wall was just clever talking point to get people fired up, and not a legitimate accomplishable goal.

And ACA was just a clever talking point for the Democrats to get people fired up but there is no way it'll ever pass...Yet it did...

The wall is coming and I do believe Mexico, in one way or another, will be paying for it....I always thought a "wall tax" on money being taken out of our country and communities and sent south via Western Union.....(Yes I know I just said I would approve of a tax...Eww that hurt) would be a nice way to pay for it....

 

[jamil]

option 5 Start with a realistic discussion that recognizes that no way in h*** is Mexico going to pay for a wall that we might want.

That wasn't one of the options. He didn't even mention Mexico paying for the wall. It's not relevant to the question. So one of the four. Which one? I wish there were a 3.5. But I guess I'll have to go with 4.

sure they will.....just wait and see....

No. It's not going to happen. At least not in any literal sense. Even a "technical" victory is disingenuous because that's not what Trump said.

At this point, I think we all should just admit that Mexico paying for the wall was just clever talking point to get people fired up, and not a legitimate accomplishable goal.

It is, and people should stop caring about it on both sides. It's not going to happen that way. Mexico isn't going to cut us a check for the cost of the wall. And if they did, it would probably really **** me off if I found out what under-the-table deal Trump would have had to make to get Mexico to do it.

 

[jamil]

And ACA was just a clever talking point for the Democrats to get people fired up but there is no way it'll ever pass...Yet it did...

The wall is coming and I do believe Mexico, in one way or another, will be paying for it....I always thought a "wall tax" on money being taken out of our country and communities and sent south via Western Union.....(Yes I know I just said I would approve of a tax...Eww that hurt) would be a nice way to pay for it....

One way or another isn't a fulfillment of the promise. I mean, you could name almost anything a technical victory using that as the standard.

But I don't see how ACA has anything to do with the wall. The ACA didn't pass because Americans were convinced they could keep their doctors. America was very much against it in the polling well past it's passage. The ACA passed because of Democratic parliamentary tricks and no other reason than that. And just like any givernment program, once people taste the teat, they can't stop sucking from it.

 

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[Kutnupe14]

And ACA was just a clever talking point for the Democrats to get people fired up but there is no way it'll ever pass...Yet it did...

The wall is coming and I do believe Mexico, in one way or another, will be paying for it....I always thought a "wall tax" on money being taken out of our country and communities and sent south via Western Union.....(Yes I know I just said I would approve of a tax...Eww that hurt) would be a nice way to pay for it....

We don't have the economic power, or more correctly our populace doesn't have the economic power, to force Mexico to pay for a wall. Cheap labor = cheap products NOT made in the USA.

 

[bwframe]

Never gonna get elected, much less build that silly wall...




...on top of that...

 

[SheepDog4Life]

At this point, I think we all should just admit that Mexico paying for the wall was just clever talking point to get people fired up, and not a legitimate accomplishable goal.

The "typical" populist (and that's what Trump is) of "making" another country pay, is tariffs. Put Mexico is going to pay for the wall and renegotiating NAFTA together and that's what you get. Are they going to write a check to the USA specifically for the wall? No.

Remember who this promise was made to... blue collar workers who see "their jobs" going elsewhere... so tax the cr@p out of Mexican automotive products and build (more of) the wall checks positive boxes for a bunch of people who voted for him on this issue. And, if building some parts of the wall, for example where the current "coyote trails" cross essentially a cattle fence lowers the numbers on the Southern border, he'll pick up more votes.

And ACA was just a clever talking point for the Democrats to get people fired up but there is no way it'll ever pass...Yet it did...

The wall is coming and I do believe Mexico, in one way or another, will be paying for it....I always thought a "wall tax" on money being taken out of our country and communities and sent south via Western Union.....(Yes I know I just said I would approve of a tax...Eww that hurt) would be a nice way to pay for it....

One of the very few taxes I would be for... a tax on moving money back to country of origin.

That wasn't one of the options. He didn't even mention Mexico paying for the wall. It's not relevant to the question. So one of the four. Which one? I wish there were a 3.5. But I guess I'll have to go with 4.

No. It's not going to happen. At least not in any literal sense. Even a "technical" victory is disingenuous because that's not what Trump said.

It is, and people should stop caring about it on both sides. It's not going to happen that way. Mexico isn't going to cut us a check for the cost of the wall. And if they did, it would probably really **** me off if I found out what under-the-table deal Trump would have had to make to get Mexico to do it.

How about this, Jamil? I'm on the same page.

3.5 Build the wall all along the border except where it makes no sense and is very cost prohibitive... I.e. don't build over the tops of mountains, nor down the middle of the Rio Grande.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

option 5 Start with a realistic discussion that recognizes that no way in h*** is Mexico going to pay for a wall that we might want.

We know what you are against... anything Trump.

But, what are you for with regard to the wall? Tear it all down? Build the whole thing? Something in between?

 

[ghitch75]

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