The 2017 General Political discussion thread, Part 2!

[hoosierdoc]

Hmm, methinks he doth protest too much. I didn't call you a Trumpist.


But I have seen all manner of things excused by diehard Trump supporters. I have faith they won't let this one get them down.

no, I self-identify as a trumpist. He is exactly the president we needed at this point in history.

 

[hoosierdoc]

OMB: Top 20% pay 95% of taxes, middle class 'single digits'

top 20% of earners pay 95 PERCENT of all income taxes. The "middle class" pay single digits.

shut up leftists.

 

[Woobie]

Sorry I’m neither loyal to either party and I have a hard time seeing how anybody can equate the sorry a** sh** that the current narcissistic illiterate is doing to anyone previous.


Funny his latest defense was that he couldn’t believe they were calling his intelligence into question because after all he was an ivy league graduate who was really really smart. This guy is 70 years old and this was his response. Sounds like a response that a kindergarten kid would give.

I think it's time to turn the TV off. The media really hates Trump, and they take every shot they can. They're still in shock over Hillary, and they can't believe the Obama wet dream is over. So if you listen to them long enough, you begin to lose perspective.

1) Turn off the TV

2) Step outside and take a deep breath. It is stunningly beautiful this morning.

3) Next time you think about politics, don't do it in front of a screen. Sit on your porch. Light up a bowl of really fine tobacco in your favorite pipe. Take a step back and look at it from a wider angle.

4) Read Ecclesiastes. There's some perspective for you. There really is nothing new under the sun.

5) Life is good, politicians not so much. Trump too shall pass. Obama did, Bush did, Clinton did.

6) Take every word and deed on its merits. And don't let someone else tell you what to think about them. But analyze what they say: they could be right. Or wrong. Or a bit of both.

 

[indiucky]

no, I self-identify as a trumpist. He is exactly the president we needed at this point in history.

 

[Woobie]

no, I self-identify as a trumpist. He is exactly the president we needed at this point in history.

Loyalty to politicians is exceedingly dangerous. My loyalty is to the Constitution, as that piece of paper is the only thing between the avarice of politicians and my Liberty.

We need a lot of things in America, and many of them can not be provided by any President.

 

[Dddrees]

Trump wasn't elected because he is truthful, honest and well-balanced. If those were the qualifications for election, no one would be able to run (at least no one who WANTS the job would qualify). He had potential, and has lived up to some of it. I'd rather have a raging narcissist who is up front about it than one who tried to hide it behind rhetoric and socialism. I would really have appreciated an election between Ted and Bernie - a clear choice of true believers. But our primary process didn't allow it. By the time we Hoosiers got to vote, nearly all the good candidates were gone.

Mostly, he wasn't Hillary.

Yeah, that’s a ringing endorsement if I ever heard one but those are hardly desirable qualities. Unfortunately the ones you mentioned aren’t his most dangerous qualities. President Bush spoke someone else’s words best. The path he’s taking and the way he’s doing it are extremely dangerous for our country. We can’t simply wall ourselves off and ignore the rest of the world. We can’t simply ignore that the world will be globalized to a large extent. It is very important that we have a role in what is going on. If we don’t participate and more importantly lead we will be left behind. We can’’t afford to be so brash, ignorant, and most importantly divisive. Our strength lies in being whole and not fighting each other. White Supremacy cannot be tolerated in any form. Right now no one outside the US has any idea what he or more importantly our country will do. In the meantime our adversaries are making the most of that. Those areas we are abdicating they are filling.

No, no your simply trying to minimalize the effects of his agenda as a whole. He’s not just reaserting some kind of new conservatism. He’s trying to reassert some form of nationalism for only a portion and not all of the country,

 

[hoosierdoc]

Loyalty to politicians is exceedingly dangerous. My loyalty is to the Constitution, as that piece of paper is the only thing between the avarice of politicians and my Liberty.

We need a lot of things in America, and many of them can not be provided by any President.

Yes I think he is the perfect president for us now. Will I support him if he starts doing absurd things? No. Do I think you should stop tweeting so much? Yes. Am I still I trumpist? Yes.

He has done nothing yet to make me wish he was not our president. The alternative is Hillary. Trump is dismantling the massive bureaucracy of DC as best he can. When supporters start bailing on him because of stupid tweets or his demeanor, they are throwing away all of the rest of the progress that is happening. I don't care about his demeanor. I want our country back.

It is Trump and the trumpists that have made Bob Corker and Jeff Flake decide to not run for reelection. Trump is forcing RINO out of the Senate. Strap on and enjoy the ride

 

[Woobie]

Do you really want to take advice on getting involved in the rest of the world from the guy who invaded Iraq?

 

[Dddrees]

I think it's time to turn the TV off. The media really hates Trump, and they take every shot they can. They're still in shock over Hillary, and they can't believe the Obama wet dream is over. So if you listen to them long enough, you begin to lose perspective.

1) Turn off the TV

2) Step outside and take a deep breath. It is stunningly beautiful this morning.

3) Next time you think about politics, don't do it in front of a screen. Sit on your porch. Light up a bowl of really fine tobacco in your favorite pipe. Take a step back and look at it from a wider angle.

4) Read Ecclesiastes. There's some perspective for you. There really is nothing new under the sun.

5) Life is good, politicians not so much. Trump too shall pass. Obama did, Bush did, Clinton did.

6) Take every word and deed on its merits. And don't let someone else tell you what to think about them. But analyze what they say: they could be right. Or wrong. Or a bit of both.

Yes, yes turn a blind eye.


Does Trump email this stuff daily to you or are you being fed intravenously?

 

[indiucky]

Loyalty to politicians is exceedingly dangerous. My loyalty is to the Constitution, as that piece of paper is the only thing between the avarice of politicians and my Liberty.

We need a lot of things in America, and many of them can not be provided by any President.

I don't think loyalty to a politician is dangerous......I think what Trump has provided is confidence for the US consumer/citizen....I know my wife and I were holding off on investing in land....The day after the election we began looking and three months later closed on over 30 acres nestled up against the Hoosier National Forest.....I know a new steel manufacturing plant is going up in Jeffersonville at the old Army Ammunition Plant...I know the stock market is up 20 % since the election...I know illegal immigration is down 70 % with Trump being "The Wall"......

While I do not believe a President has a direct hand in such things I do believe that he creates an atmosphere that breeds consumer confidence that leads to such things....And I for one think it's beautiful...I really do....

 

[indiucky]

Yes, yes turn a blind eye.


Does Trump email this stuff daily to you or are you being fed intravenously?

You are really, really, really, really, really misreading Woobie there sir....Big time.....

 

[Woobie]

Yes I think he is the perfect president for us now. Will I support him if he starts doing absurd things? No. Do I think you should stop tweeting so much? Yes. Am I still I trumpist? Yes.

He has done nothing yet to make me wish he was not our president. The alternative is Hillary. Trump is dismantling the massive bureaucracy of DC as best he can. When supporters start bailing on him because of stupid tweets or his demeanor, they are throwing away all of the rest of the progress that is happening. I don't care about his demeanor. I want our country back.

It is Trump and the trumpists that have made Bob Corker and Jeff Flake decide to not run for reelection. Trump is forcing RINO out of the Senate. Strap on and enjoy the ride

Listen, I'm not saying you don't point out good examples of his positive actions. But not being Hillary is not what makes you perfect. He isn't draining the swamp, he's just changing out a few alligators and leeches. And to be fair, he's probably lowered the water level an inch.

 

[Dddrees]

I don't think loyalty to a politician is dangerous......I think what Trump has provided is confidence for the US consumer/citizen....I know my wife and I were holding off on investing in land....The day after the election we began looking and three months later closed on over 30 acres nestled up against the Hoosier National Forest.....I know a new steel manufacturing plant is going up in Jeffersonville at the old Army Ammunition Plant...I know the stock market is up 20 % since the election...I know illegal immigration is down 70 % with Trump being "The Wall"......

While I do not believe a President has a direct hand in such things I do believe that he creates an atmosphere that breeds consumer confidence that leads to such things....And I for one think it's beautiful...I really do....

When exactly was that plant planned? Because if it’s going up now I very much doubt it was planned yesterday?

 

[Dddrees]

Listen, I'm not saying you don't point out good examples of his positive actions. But not being Hillary is not what makes you perfect. He isn't draining the swamp, he's just changing out a few alligators and leeches. And to be fair, he's probably lowered the water level an inch.

Oh, that’s right he should have said he’s not Obama’s. LOL

 

[indiucky]

When exactly was that plant planned? Because if it’s going up now I very much doubt it was planned yesterday?

Did you really think I was insinuating this steel plant was planned yesterday???

I may not be a college graduate and I may talk a little slow but it doesn't mean that I am.....

New steel plant opens in Jeffersonville

https://www.bizjournals.com/louisvi...he-world-largest-steel-companies-opens-a.html

http://www.newsandtribune.com/news/...cle_4430f022-9fc2-11e7-bcc2-83618ca61c3e.html

I know Trump has not instilled confidence in all of America, but one would have to turn a blind eye to not see that many Americans have more confidence than they have had in a long time....

 

[Dddrees]

New steel plant opens in Jeffersonville

This could have been in the works for a number of years. Just as the current unemployment has been on the steady decline for a good number of years. That trend did not start under Trump.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Listen, I'm not saying you don't point out good examples of his positive actions. But not being Hillary is not what makes you perfect. He isn't draining the swamp, he's just changing out a few alligators and leeches. And to be fair, he's probably lowered the water level an inch.

Who is saying trump is perfect? I'm saying he's the perfect guy for the job. Big difference. He does not give a crap what anyone thinks about him. He is doing what is right. A lot of the swamp draining has to happen by congressional action. Problem is both the left and the right are fighting his efforts.

Time's 'wrecking crew': Trump vowed to slash government, after all
Time's 'wrecking crew': Trump vowed to slash government, after all | Fox News

trump as a wrecking ball to big government

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ep...iminations-in-response-to-trump-execu/508210/

more on regulations

 

[Woobie]

I don't think loyalty to a politician is dangerous......I think what Trump has provided is confidence for the US consumer/citizen....I know my wife and I were holding off on investing in land....The day after the election we began looking and three months later closed on over 30 acres nestled up against the Hoosier National Forest.....I know a new steel manufacturing plant is going up in Jeffersonville at the old Army Ammunition Plant...I know the stock market is up 20 % since the election...I know illegal immigration is down 70 % with Trump being "The Wall"......

While I do not believe a President has a direct hand in such things I do believe that he creates an atmosphere that breeds consumer confidence that leads to such things....And I for one think it's beautiful...I really do....

Yeah, I would agree with that. But I would replace loyalty with support. Loyalty is fighting for your friend when you know he started the brawl. Caesar was a politician. And he had loyal followers. But I wouldn't fault someone for being supportive of someone they saw as doing good for the nation. That makes support contingent on the benefit to the country. I'm needling a bit here, but I think there is a healthy line between "Trumpist" and "American who supports Trump".

Also, if a guy named Gaius Marius tells you we should start paying the troops from the generals' private funds, shoot him. It's not going to turn out well. Loyalty is a dangerous thing. Now that guy is a great argument for term limits.

 

[Dddrees]

Did you really think I was insinuating this steel plant was planned yesterday???

I may not be a college graduate and I may talk a little slow but it doesn't mean that I am.....

New steel plant opens in Jeffersonville

https://www.bizjournals.com/louisvi...he-world-largest-steel-companies-opens-a.html

South Korean steel company starts operations in Jeffersonville with grand ceremony | News | newsandtribune.com

I know Trump has not instilled confidence in all of America, but one would have to turn a blind eye to not see that many Americans have more confidence than they have had in a long time....

Well when you include the new steel plant as one of the reasons it appears that’s what your insulating. Don’t take it personal just because I called that particular point into question. After all your the one that brought it up.

 

[Kutnupe14]

This could have been in the works for a number of years. Just as the current unemployment has been on the steady decline for a good number of years. That trend did not start under Trump.

Thanks Obama

JEFFERSONVILLE — A $19 million manufacturing plant that will bring 60 good-paying jobs to the Port of Indiana-Jeffersonville broke ground Wednesday.
Community leaders turned out along with company officials to introduce POSCO and its AAPC No. 2 Plant, which will process steel wire for fasteners, nuts, and bolts used in the automotive industry.

Korean steelmaker breaks ground on Jeffersonville plant | News | newsandtribune.com