The 2017 General Political discussion thread, Part 2!

[jamil]

It isn't terribly difficult to discern. You see, in the feudal systems of the Middle Ages, serfs owed allegiance to their lord. Kinda like "I pledge allegiance..." They also had to pay property taxes, umm rent, to that lord for being allowed to stay on the land. No matter if they built the house, tilled the land, dug the well; the land was his, and they were reminded of that when property taxes came due. But in addition to that, they paid him a sizable portion of their produce as a kind of income tax as well.

Now you might say "I have the deed to my land, it's mine, darn it." Sure. Stop paying your property taxes and see who really owns it. You might think you've earned your paycheck fair and square. But the lord has first rights to that money. He will take his portion first, and then some if you let him (interest free). Don't want to pay? No problem, debtor's prison has a nice warm cell for you.

Little about our tax system is functionally different from 12th century England.

I don’t like property taxes either. But I asked why you think income tax is feudalism. Then you explained why property tax is feudalism.

 

[Dddrees]

I don’t like property taxes either. But I asked why you think income tax is feudalism. Then you explained why property tax is feudalism.

Well since i’ll Be paying my property taxes again here soon neither do I. It’s never been pleasant but it’s always been much worse ever since the mortgage was paid off and I actually write the check directly. But here again some services have to be paid for by some means and some method so what do you recommend taking it’s place?

 

[hoosierdoc]

Don't worry, someone will be along to explain that one away. The Trumpists are an indefatigable lot.

Eyeroll. Most of us hate government bloat and waste. I don't care what party it is

Remind me how Trump handled Tom price again?

 

[Woobie]

I don’t like property taxes either. But I asked why you think income tax is feudalism. Then you explained why property tax is feudalism.

Income tax is in there. Come on now.

The property tax belongs in the description because the one-two property/income tax punch is remarkably similar to historical examples. But if you don't like it, just concentrate on the income tax portion of my post.

 

[Woobie]

Eyeroll. Most of us hate government bloat and waste. I don't care what party it is

Remind me how Trump handled Tom price again?

Hmm, methinks he doth protest too much. I didn't call you a Trumpist.


But I have seen all manner of things excused by diehard Trump supporters. I have faith they won't let this one get them down.

 

[Dddrees]

Don't worry, someone will be along to explain that one away. The Trumpists are an indefatigable lot.

Agreed

And not because they don’t sometimes do the same as others before but because they’ve reached heights never thought or imagined previously. Next you know they be calling up down, and down up. In fact when they came up with the term alternative facts that’s basically what they did and they continue to do so.

 

[Woobie]

Agreed

And not because they don’t somtimes do the same as others before but because they’ve reached heights never thought or imagined previously. Next you know they be calling up down, and down up. In fact when they came up with the term alternative facts that’s basically what they did.

Now don't get carried away. Trump has been trying hard, but he's still an apprentice (hmmm). Darth Obama is the true Sith Lord at this point. And his supporters are strong in the dark side, too.

 

[Dddrees]

Now don't get carried away. Trump has been trying hard, but he's still an apprentice (hmmm). Darth Obama is the true Sith Lord at this point. And his supporters are strong in the dark side, too.

LOL

Bull


When exactly did Obahama try to claim his crowd size was larger?

Look practically everyday the Whitehouse or that Twit comes up with a new whopper. Hell the whoppers aren’t even subtle sometimes.


Give me a break.

 

[Dddrees]

Trump wanted Gag order lifted on FBI informat.


Once again dumb a** goes where no one has gone before.

 

[Woobie]

LOL

Bull


When exactly did Obahama try to claim his crowd size was larger?

Look practically everyday the Whitehouse or that Twit comes up with a new whopper. Hell the whoppers aren’t even subtle sometimes.


Give me a break.

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[Dddrees]

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[Dddrees]

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Frankly it seems to me that dumb a**es followers are either taking tranquilizers are some really really good drugs. Who in the Hell in their right mind buys all of this crap he tries to sell?

 

[Woobie]

Frankly it seems to me that dumb a**es followers are either taking tranquilizers are some really really good drugs. Who in the Hell in their right mind buys all of this crap he tries to sell?

Well I didn't. A lot of Americans knew it was a lie when he said it. But because he had loyal followers, he got away with it. Just like Trump will get away with a lot of what he does because of loyal followers.

 

[Woobie]

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Not sure I follow. Are you saying I am turning a blind eye? To whom?

 

[Dddrees]

Not sure I follow. Are you saying I am turning a blind eye? To whom?

Having a a bit of a problem following you. On one hand it seems you agree that Trump tells all of these lies and on the other hand you think Obama’s Trumps Trump in that department??

 

[Woobie]

Having a a bit of a problem following you. On one hand it seems you agree that Trump tells all of these lies and on the other hand you think Obama’s Trumps Trump in that department??

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Both are liars, and I have no loyalty to either of them. Obama's lies (in my opinion) have been more damaging to the nation than Trump's have. That's not an endorsement of Trump, just a recognition that Obama had more time to screw stuff up.

 

[Woobie]

Double post

 

[Dddrees]

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Both are liars, and I have no loyalty to either of them. Obama's lies (in my opinion) have been more damaging to the nation than Trump's have. That's not an endorsement of Trump, just a recognition that Obama had more time to screw stuff up.

Sorry I’m neither loyal to either party and I have a hard time seeing how anybody can equate the sorry a** sh** that the current narcissistic illiterate is doing to anyone previous.


Funny his latest defense was that he couldn’t believe they were calling his intelligence into question because after all he was an ivy league graduate who was really really smart. This guy is 70 years old and this was his response. Sounds like a response that a kindergarten kid would give.

 

[spencer rifle]

Trump wasn't elected because he is truthful, honest and well-balanced. If those were the qualifications for election, no one would be able to run (at least no one who WANTS the job would qualify). He had potential, and has lived up to some of it. I'd rather have a raging narcissist who is up front about it than one who tried to hide it behind rhetoric and socialism. I would really have appreciated an election between Ted and Bernie - a clear choice of true believers. But our primary process didn't allow it. By the time we Hoosiers got to vote, nearly all the good candidates were gone.

Mostly, he wasn't Hillary.

 

[Woobie]

Trump wasn't elected because he is truthful, honest and well-balanced. If those were the qualifications for election, no one would be able to run (at least no one who WANTS the job would qualify). He had potential, and has lived up to some of it. I'd rather have a raging narcissist who is up front about it than one who tried to hide it behind rhetoric and socialism. I would really have appreciated an election between Ted and Bernie - a clear choice of true believers. But our primary process didn't allow it. By the time we Hoosiers got to vote, nearly all the good candidates were gone.

Mostly, he wasn't Hillary.

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