The 2017 General Political discussion thread, Part 2!

[Dddrees]

Even Foriegn Leaders are coming out against Trump or his comments such as the U.K., Germany, and Israel.

Russia has been quiet however.

 

[ghitch75]

Well, everyone quit. They had to disavow Trump before the mob disavows them, since Trump didn't disavow Nazis to their satisfaction, possibly because he didn't realize his 2016 disavowment of Nazis expired.

i guess i should have said.....what ever.....

 

[ghitch75]

Even Foriegn Leaders are coming out against Trump or his comments such as the U.K., Germany, and Israel.

Russia has been quiet however.

[video=youtube;pQYZ-bMpoXU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQYZ-bMpoXU[/video]

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well, everyone quit. They had to disavow Trump before the mob disavows them, since Trump didn't disavow Nazis to their satisfaction, possibly because he didn't realize his 2016 disavowment of Nazis expired.

Or maybe they didn't believe that he really meant it. I meant its Trump. He and the truth have a contentious relationship.

 

[Kutnupe14]

[video=youtube;pQYZ-bMpoXU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQYZ-bMpoXU[/video]

One portion, NSFW (language)
[video=youtube;qo-hqYe87vs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo-hqYe87vs[/video]

 

[Dddrees]

^ Can you say opportunist?


There's other things, but he's mostly an opportunist when it comes down to it. His desire to be king is the most important thing to him so whatever he believes is secondary or at least this is what I always believed.

 

[ghitch75]

One portion, NSFW (language)
[video=youtube;qo-hqYe87vs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo-hqYe87vs[/video]

what ever....

 

[ghitch75]

^ Can you say opportunist?


There's other things, but he's mostly an opportunist when it comes down to it. His desire to be king is the most important thing to him so whatever he believes is secondary or at least this is what I always believed.

you need to put the MSM down and step away from the TV......

 

[Dddrees]

what ever....

This is the kind of thoughtful and detailed response from a Trump supporter I thought I would get before I joined this forum. No reason very little thought and it's the middle finger response. When all reason is used the only possible response is whatever because frankly there is no good reasonable response possible.

 

[Dddrees]

you need to put the MSM down and step away from the TV......

So MSM hired an impersonator again. D*** those tricky dirty MSM!! LOL

 

[KLB]

If they can get a warrant for it, I don't see a problem with it.

Seriously? Your bar is that low?

 

[2A_Tom]

Seriously? Your bar is that low?

My bar is the Constitution.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[PaulF]

My bar is the Constitution.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I agree.

The problem, as I see it, it that we live in a world of secret proceedings and administrative warrants. A rubber-stamp warrant from a kangaroo court doesn't fulfill constitutional requirements, and should never be supported with the weight of law.

In some ways it's a pretty frightening time to be living under the US Federal Government.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

How about you read the warrant, and tell me if you still believe what you wrote above.

https://www.dreamhost.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/DH-Search-Warrant.pdf

I both read AND posted a link to the search warrant. Your link is the same warrant and nowhere in that warrant is the government requesting a list of IP addresses of visitors to the site. In section II.1.c they request the HTTP Request Logs I described in my post you quoted. What section do your read a request for all visitor IP addresses?

Note that do they request name, address, method of payment, all correspondence, etc for the SUBSCRIBER. The subscriber is the person(s) or entity that OWNS the site and pays the monthly subscription to Dreamhost in order to host the site.

subscriber = owner(s) of the site, not visitors to the site

 

[KLB]

I agree.

The problem, as I see it, it that we live in a world of secret proceedings and administrative warrants. A rubber-stamp warrant from a kangaroo court doesn't fulfill constitutional requirements, and should never be supported with the weight of law.

In some ways it's a pretty frightening time to be living under the US Federal Government.

Exactly.

Just because a warrant was issued, does not mean it was correct.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Seriously? Your bar is that low?

First, the DoJ did not request/demand a list of IP addresses. Read the warrant.

Second, an IP address alone DOES NOT equal an identity. I could give you my IP address right now and you would not know who I am unless you contacted my service provider and requested which of their customers was using that IP address at that time on that day. If the DoJ requested 1.3 million identities from the Internet Service Providers, for nothing more than visiting the site, I would be with you.

Every single website you visit KNOWS and LOGS your IP address. (unless you first go through an IP-anonomizer or are on ToR)

 

[KLB]

I both read AND posted a link to the search warrant. Your link is the same warrant and nowhere in that warrant is the government requesting a list of IP addresses of visitors to the site. In section II.1.c they request the HTTP Request Logs I described in my post you quoted. What section do your read a request for all visitor IP addresses?

Note that do they request name, address, method of payment, all correspondence, etc for the SUBSCRIBER. The subscriber is the person(s) or entity that OWNS the site and pays the monthly subscription to Dreamhost in order to host the site.

subscriber = owner(s) of the site, not visitors to the site

They are not requesting a list of IP addresses. They are demanding everything stored for that website on the host servers.

That includes all databases. All databases is all data pertaining to anyone that joined the site.

 

[KLB]

First, the DoJ did not request/demand a list of IP addresses. Read the warrant.

Second, an IP address alone DOES NOT equal an identity. I could give you my IP address right now and you would not know who I am unless you contacted my service provider and requested which of their customers was using that IP address at that time on that day. If the DoJ requested 1.3 million identities from the Internet Service Providers, for nothing more than visiting the site, I would be with you.

Every single website you visit KNOWS and LOGS your IP address. (unless you first go through an IP-anonomizer or are on ToR)

That was a general question, not specific to this case.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Republicans in DC: Man, we're taking a beating with this healthcare crap. Everything we try seems to make things worse and worse.
What we need is a way to take the nation's attention off of it for awhile, but how could we do that?



Alt Right: Hold my beer.

 

[Alpo]

you need to put the MSM down and step away from the TV......

Wait a sec. You used a CNN video not more than 6 posts upthread less than 2 hours ago and YOU are criticizing someone else for using videos? Physician, heal thyself.