I hate to tell you this, but you were going to be detained from the get-go. The PD got a call about a possible robbery attempt in progress and responded accordingly. The Officer (and the rest of them) do NOT know you from Adam and they do NOT know you're not going to try to attempt a robbery. After all, you could have just stolen the truck. You could have been planting a charge or attempting to remove a rear door or skylight. The PD doesn't know that. All they know from the dispatcher is that there's a robbery attempt at the location. Of course they're going to detain you, disarm you, and verify the fact that you're a good guy. So, you have a LTCH. Is it proof that you haven't committed a crime since you got it? Is it a guarantee that you're not ever going to commit a crime such as robbery? NO!!! Does the presence of a LTCH mean you haven't stolen the handgun? NO!So this story goes hand and hand with the "pulled over" thread.
Today after lunch I was working at stop 11 and madison at the shopping center on the southeast corner. I was repairing the wall packs (outside lights on the wall), when I was working on this particular light I sat my ladder against the door, after a few minutes of work I climb down as I get down I see the door open and a face kinda pop out, gun pointed, and say
"back up", "back up" so I do he comes out and ask "is anyone else here?" I say "no". He ask do I know what building this is, I say "no". He says it's check into cash, and ask to see my id. As he is looking at my id he ask if I have any weapons. I say yes, and hand him my permit, instantly things change. I go from a citizen to a criminal, by this time the rest of the posse shows up.
He makes me put my hands on my head, while he holds me there, and removes my gun and tells me not to move. Then he begins to search and frisk me. He and company then have me sit on the stoop while they run my drivers license and LTCH and check to see if my gun was stolen.
I tell them that I feel like my rights are being violated since I was disarmed even though I produced my permit. And one cop says " it's for our safety and yours, that way every one goes home".
Twenty minutes more of criminal confinment, and they finally get the ok they take my clips and unload them both, take my license, LTCH, and my gun plus rounds and set them on top of a dumpster next to us and tell me that after they leave I can put everything back.
I was so freaking pissed that I screwed up everything I touched the rest of the day.
Turns out one of the girls in the check into cash heard the drill, which only ran for ten seconds and called the cops saying they were being robbed. So I had a gun pointed at me, because she thought she was getting robbed and first cop on the scene said there where ten squad cars coming for me. This was confimed by the five cops in the back of the store and the five or more my partner saw at the front.
In the end I feel like my rights were violated, since my permit meant nothing to them and I was disarmed and treated just like any other criminal on the street.
So what is the point in being a law abiding citizen if you are going to get treated like a crook. Also like I said what about my safety I dont know those cops and here I am surronding by them and their glocks, with nothing of my own.
Why are they better than us, and why is their lives more important than ours.
Let me clue you in on something. Had you NOT said you had a weapon on you, you'd have been frisked anyway, the pistol would have been discovered anyway. You would have ended up proned out, firearm taken anyway, and you'd have had to tell them about your LTCH, which they would have verified eventually. Since they were operating under the premise that a crime was occurring or about to, they're going to try to determine that you (and your pistol) are LEGAL.
Had he NOT had a LTCH and the handgun on him, he would still have been treated like he was. He would have been frisked, and ID checked. Only AFTER they were satisfied that the OP wasn't attempting to rob the store would they have given him the "Sorry for the inconvenience" and left.LOL. Law enforcement receives notice from Dispatch that there may be a robbery in progress at a Check into cash..it's 2010..I'd buy it. Police arrive on the scene, there isn't a soul in the check into cash because most americans cash their checks at their bank and their check loans have interest rates higher than tickets to Disneyland.
The moron lady says "I heard noises, maybe a drill on the side of the building"..Check into cash is not open past like 6PM, so it's obviously broad daylight. Blah Blah Blah..
The point is, if OP had NOT been carrying and NOT had an LTCH, they would have ran his ID for warrants and said "sorry for the confusion". OP was detained for exercising his rights, NOT being at the "wrong place at the wrong time".
I am looking at this from a LEO and civilian perspective..with a history of Military Police in several countries and different establishments receiving 100's of the same calls, PC stopped when I rounded the corner and the gentleman on the ladder didn't light me up. I don't understand the thought process when you handle a polite civilian like a criminal..
I know I would've been kicking and screaming like a 2 yr old, quoting laws..point is there are 2 types of people..complete *******s and nervous/complying citizens..clearly OP extended them everything at his disposal to not only establish his innocence, but also his identity. That wasn't good enough though, because, O-M-G..he paid money for his rights lol.
You should well know that PC to detain for a robbery call doesn't automatically end because you weren't lit up immediately.
IMHO, they probably downloaded his magazines because the OP failed the attitude test. The PD didn't do anything wrong. They didn't have to directly give his weapon, ammo, LTCH, and ID back. They could have.