Seat Belt Exemptions

[Bunnykid68]

That damn LAPD.

I did not notice any bullet holes

 

[Brandon]

From the video the driver would be burnt to a crisp. Didn't see any kids wandering around anywhere either

That video was to show how a fire moves through a bus along with the smoke.

Maybe the kids were dead or knocked out stuck in their seat belts?

 

[marv]

I put farm plates on one of my flatbeds a few years ago when I was a dealer. It was dedicated to hauling tractors and farm equip. The license branch said it was OK but the DOT guy said it was a No-No.

 

[reesez]

Well I started my new job today, and guess what I work on? Coach buses and school buses. LOL. And guess what? Our company has been in business for 70 years or so, and we have a safety director. He was out today, but I think I will ask him about the seatbelts and "fire safety" business. I will be getting back to you later.

 

[Brandon]

Well I started my new job today, and guess what I work on? Coach buses and school buses. LOL. And guess what? Our company has been in business for 70 years or so, and we have a safety director. He was out today, but I think I will ask him about the seatbelts and "fire safety" business. I will be getting back to you later.

So what are you going to ask?

 

[reesez]

So what are you going to ask?

What the reason for no seatbelts is. DUH. lol. I asked if they were safer to the owner and he laughed at me.

 

[Brandon]

What the reason for no seatbelts is. DUH. lol. I asked if they were safer to the owner and he laughed at me.

Oh.
What are your predictions for his answers?

 

[reesez]

Oh.
What are your predictions for his answers?

What do you think???????

 

[Brandon]

What do you think???????

Dunno

 

[reesez]

Dunno

Then how would I know? Whatever the answer is, it will be educational. These charter buses are stainless steel skeleton frames though, and very low to the ground.

 

[Brandon]

Then how would I know? Whatever the answer is, it will be educational. These charter buses are stainless steel skeleton frames though, and very low to the ground.

what part is low to the ground? the luggage compartment? or the passenger compartment? How are the seats arranged?

 

[reesez]

what part is low to the ground? the luggage compartment? or the passenger compartment? How are the seats arranged?

The frame which the bottom of the luggage compartment, and the engine/tranny in the back. I cant even get under it. Seats are like every other charter bus.

 

[Brandon]

The frame which the bottom of the luggage compartment, and the engine/tranny in the back. I cant even get under it. Seats are like every other charter bus.

And how many stairs do you walk up to get to the passenger area?

Just because the luggage area is low doesn't mean the frame is. Generally the frame is above that (not always). The seats are probably close to make use of that compartmentalization thing discussed earlier in the thread.

My old school bus sounds like what you described. The frame was still far enough off the ground you could get under it if it didn't have the luggage compartments.

 

[reesez]

And how many stairs do you walk up to get to the passenger area?

Just because the luggage area is low doesn't mean the frame is. Generally the frame is above that (not always). The seats are probably close to make use of that compartmentalization thing discussed earlier in the thread.

My old school bus sounds like what you described. The frame was still far enough off the ground you could get under it if it didn't have the luggage compartments.

I don't think you uderstand, the frame is a skeleton type, not like a school bus frame. It is literally a welded together stainless steel shell and the luggage compartment is just the bottom of it.

A lot of school buses (most I have seen IE Bluebird, Thomas) are on a Freightliner frame. Some around here are a International frame.

 

[88GT]

So you want to gamble the belts would make it safer and if a bus catches fire you will explain how those seat belts helped? According to this website over 2,000 bus fires a year.
Knowing what to do in a school bus fire could save lives - AmericaNowNews.com


http://youtu.be/ksXI2tK16Dg
Not sure how long the fire was going before they started recording, but at the 2 minute mark the fire department was just getting their gear ready to start putting out the fire.

No way I would be able to get kids out of a mess like that.

No, I want consistency and a little bit of intellectual honesty. I don't care if there are belts in the buses. My kids don't ride 'em. I just find the arguments against are wishy-washy.

 

[reesez]

Seatbelt Debate: Some States Mandate School Bus Seatbelt Law - ABC News
School bus crash brings up seat belt debate - 13 WTHR Indianapolis
The Seat Belt Debate
K - 12 - FamilyEducation.com

 

[Brandon]

I don't think you uderstand, the frame is a skeleton type, not like a school bus frame. It is literally a welded together stainless steel shell and the luggage compartment is just the bottom of it.

A lot of school buses (most I have seen IE Bluebird, Thomas) are on a Freightliner frame. Some around here are a International frame.

You are right, I did not understand that one.

 

[Brandon]

No, I want consistency and a little bit of intellectual honesty. I don't care if there are belts in the buses. My kids don't ride 'em. I just find the arguments against are wishy-washy.

The arguments for them are just as "wishy-washy".

 

[reesez]

You are right, I did not understand that one.

They are only safe from smaller cars because there is not enough force or weight behind a car to do much at their height. But another bus, semi, or driver error causing a crash or rollover, is another story.
Here is another link I forgot to add up above.
Children Deserve Seatbelts on School Buses!!!

 

[Bunnykid68]

I think it comes down to this. If it is on the road and has a passenger compartment, the law should be the same for everyone, cars, trucks, buses, and LEO. No exemptions.