Seat Belt Exemptions

[reesez]

AND triple post WTH.

 

[nkdninjafrog]

in connection with agricultural pursuits that are usual and normal to the farming operation

this caught my eye. if you were traveling to rural king, a farm store, wouldnt that technically fall under the "usual and normal farming operation" part? maybe you were going there for parts or w/e. if a farmer was driving to the gas station to fill up his truck and take come diesel for his equipment, wouldnt he also fall under the same exemption?

 

[bwframe]

What is the fine for a seat belt violation? Are points added to your license?

$25 and..
Indiana BMV Point System - Guide to IN BMV Points & Suspensions at DMV.org: The DMV Made Simple

I must be blind. Where does this link lead to how many points are received for seat belt violations?

 

[qwerty]

Seat belt is non-pointable, it is an equipment violation.

Regarding School Buses, there is a lot of debate about it, MSNBC had an interesting segment a few years ago (about the only thing I ever found interesting from there) about school bus safety and the philosophy of compartmentalization. I was looking for the video, but here is the web article: Why your child's school bus has no seat belts - US news - Life | NBC News

 

[Brandon]

School bus injuries higher than thought - Health - Children's health | NBC News

Slips and falls on buses, getting jostled when buses stop or turn suddenly, and injuries from roughhousing are among other ways kids get hurt on school buses, the data found.

Not really the bus' fault, right? kids can trip and slip walking out to mom and dads car or getting in and out of it, same for turning or stopping suddenly... less likely maybe, but still very possible. More likely something in mom or dads car flies and hits the kids in the face.... Roughhousing, kids will do that anywhere.

SCHOOL BUS FATALITIES AND INJURIES

At the bottom of page 4 NHTSA states, “On average, over the past 11 years, school buses have been involved in over 26,000 crashes, resulting in less than 1,000 incapacitating injuries and slightly more than 7,000 non-incapacitating injuries and possible injuries to passengers.” The details are found in Table 3 on page six.

Slightly fewer then your 17,000 number you mention.


Related Statistics

According to the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), there were an estimated 51,100 school bus-related injuries treated in U.S. emergency departments from 2001 to 2003, which averages to approximately 17,000 children injured in school bus accidents each year. This is the first study to describe nonfatal school bus–related injuries to U.S. children and teenagers treated in U.S. hospital emergency departments using a national sample. This study identified a much greater annual number of school bus–related injuries to children than reported previously.

Ok, this one has the number you listed, but says approximately, but also states other numbers from other sources. Who is more accurate I don't know. It also does not state what caused the injuries. Could of been a few hundred that had a bloody nose, seizures and such.



School Bus Injury Statistics

Since 1990, 1,450 people have died in school bus accidents and of these, sixty-seven percent were in other cars and vehicles and another 25% were pedestrians or cyclists.

92% of those injuries listed were people outside of a bus either in their car or walking...

Motor Vehicle Accidents and Fatalities - The 2012 Statistical Abstract - U.S. Census Bureau
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1103.pdf :
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How Many Driving Accidents Occur Each Year? | USA Coverage

It is also affirmed that car accidents kill a child every 3 minutes.

I found nothing on bus crashes on that site.


Happy reading.

(My responses are in bold)
Out of all those websites, I found one with high numbers and no information on how they got those numbers.

 

[Brandon]

I think you need to elaborate on this. We have been bombarded with PSAs telling us that seat belts make us safer. If the science and the logic behind it is sound, then what makes school buses different?

http://www.lagrangenews.com/pages/f...s-+environment &id=2923179&instance=Education

http://www.nea.org/home/19085.htm

Seat Belts and School Bus Safety - Allstate Blog

http://www.wisegeek.com/why-are-there-no-seatbelts-on-school-buses.htm

 

[Suprtek]

I agree that seat belts can help when it comes to safety. I simply don't like them and I believe it should be my choice so I rarely use them. In fact not using my seat belt has actually saved me money because the officer chose to give me a 25 dollar seat belt ticket instead of the moving violation ticket that he could have given me.

 

[reesez]

(My responses are in bold)
Out of all those websites, I found one with high numbers and no information on how they got those numbers.

My point still stands.

LaGrange News - School buses proven safe for students environment

http://www.nea.org/home/19085.htm

Seat Belts and School Bus Safety - Allstate Blog

http://www.wisegeek.com/why-are-there-no-seatbelts-on-school-buses.htm

Too busy to read right now, will bookmark for later.

 

[poisonspyder]

A law that affects a individual only, like a seatbelt or helmet law is not a law. It's communism. Maybe tell me my kid under 18 has to wear it but not a adult. We all know its for money only. They don't have seatbelt s on buses because the driver or school would be sued if a kid took it off. If they put on sensors to tell if its on they would never leave. It's also to much money to add seatbelt s to busses when gov officials could put that money in there pockets or buy a 10000 dollar hammer. I say let the idiots die and quit making laws to protect them. God has no way of getting rid of idiots anymore.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Question, does the bus driver have a seat belt? If so, why?

 

[qwerty]

Question, does the bus driver have a seat belt? If so, why?

Again, it is the philosophy of compartmentalization as a safety measure. The driver does not have the tighter enclosed areas that a bus seat has. It is explained in passing in the article I posted a few posts ago: Why your child's school bus has no seat belts - US news - Life | NBC News

 

[Brandon]

Also to avoid like what happened up in Carmel where the driver fell out of the seat.

http://youtu.be/h8ZIJg8MmH8

 

[Bunnykid68]

Also to avoid like what happened up in Carmel where the driver fell out of the seat.

http://youtu.be/h8ZIJg8MmH8

Protect the driver screw these folks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aenzUIixM8

 

[Brandon]

Protect the driver screw these folks

And yet school buses are among the safest mode of transportation for kids to get a ride to and from school.

 

[reesez]

And yet school buses are among the safest mode of transportation for kids to get a ride to and from school.

FTFY Not the best option by far, they are economical more than safe. But I am just biased.

 

[Brandon]

FTFY Not the best option by far, they are economical more than safe. But I am just biased.

There was nothing to fix, thank you.
So what is the best option?

 

[Bunnykid68]

And yet school buses are among the safest mode of transportation for kids to get a ride to and from school.

The parents cars are not?

 

[Brandon]

The parents cars are not?

Did you read the last couple of pages to this thread? There are several links you may want to read before asking these questions.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Did you read the last couple of pages to this thread? There are several links you may want to read before asking these questions.

In all those links talking about car wrecks with kids inside was it only talking about car wrecks to and from school or just kids in cars in general?

 

[amboran]

There are a couple of problems with this. First, in the event of a collision, the only reason the .gov entities are responsible for clean-up is one of efficiency. Second, it is the collision that needs cleaned-up. And the collision is an occurrence than happens independent of the wearing of a seatbelt. So, there is still clean-up required even if all parties were wearing a seat belt.

So-if you are not restrained-went through the windshield or were knocked unconscious and you ran into another car and/or lost control and caused another person/s to have an accident-this would be a consequence of YOU not wearing restraints.

Third, there is no moral or legal obligation for the .gov entity to be responsible for medical treatment/first aid care in the event of a collision on the roadways. It has become a societal standard, but aside from that, can you offer a reason why it needs to be that way? Furthermore, can you offer a reason why the taxpayers needs to be responsible for footing the bill? Debtors used to be responsible for paying for their keep (which I found incredibly ironic). Why shouldn't citizens be responsible for their usage of emergency response services?

Maybe they should-but that is not up for change by any new laws I've heard of.

And on the issue that driving is a privilege, what makes it so?

Not a right guaranteed by Constitution. If you don't obey laws required of licensed drivers-you lose the privilege.Drunks,reckless drivers,etc-they lose their license.