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  • DoggyDaddy

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    Now you equate millions of actual cases with the phantom cases of your opposition. They are not the same. There are already rules in place that cover those people. You just don't like them.
    Millions of cases of people without a valid ID? I'd say that's their problem. Doesn't have to be a drivers license, but it absolutely should be a requirement for voting. I'm 64 years old and I still have to show my id to buy smokes for crying out loud. Call me crazy, but I think voting is a little more important than that.
     

    foszoe

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    Millions of cases of people without a valid ID? I'd say that's their problem. Doesn't have to be a drivers license, but it absolutely should be a requirement for voting. I'm 64 years old and I still have to show my id to buy smokes for crying out loud. Call me crazy, but I think voting is a little more important than that.
    You show id everytime you buy smokes? Wow. They are serious!
     

    KLB

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    Millions of cases of people without a valid ID? I'd say that's their problem. Doesn't have to be a drivers license, but it absolutely should be a requirement for voting. I'm 64 years old and I still have to show my id to buy smokes for crying out loud. Call me crazy, but I think voting is a little more important than that.
    No. Millions of military and others that use absentee ballots to vote.
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    No. Millions of military and others that use absentee ballots to vote.
    Ah, my bad. I thought the issue was ID's. I have no problem with absentee ballots for those that have a legitimate need and provide proof of such. And these should be the exception, not the rule. Requesting one because you just don't feel like making the effort to vote in person (or for nefarious purposes) should not be allowed.
     

    indyblue

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    Not exactly millions, but a significant number:

    About three-quarters of the 1.3 million active duty military members are eligible to vote absentee with special protections because they're stationed away from their voting residence.
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    HKFaninCarmel

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    That’s not the same as mail-in voting per se.

    But, it doesn’t matter whether you vote in person or early absentee. Your vote counts either way. If you plan to vote, it does not diminish your vote to vote on election day. It is absurd to think that early voting gives one party an advantage solely for it being early. What gives the advantage is making it effortless for apathetic people who would not vote at all, but for the blue-haired activists who get paid for harvesting their vote.
    1- Call it what you want, you get a ballot in the mail and you return it in the mail.

    2- It is absurd to think relying on election-day voting is a good plan. We want to rack up the votes early and often. The GOP can see who hasn't voted and target low-propensity voters to get out the vote. They can target the materials at the people who haven't voted. You also don't lose people to long lines on election day who don't have the time and you also don't lose people to bad weather or life circumstances. How many Trump voters didn't check a box in 2020 because of polling issues on election day? Democrats will send someone to the door and ask who you are voting for and get you what you need to vote for them if you are on their team.
     

    Ingomike

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    Now you equate millions of actual cases with the phantom cases of your opposition. They are not the same. There are already rules in place that cover those people. You just don't like them.
    I DO NOT LIKE POOR SECURITY IN ELECTIONS.

    I equated this excuse to not secure elections to the dems excuse.

    There are not millions that are stationed overseas. Those in the US should vote where they are physically located not some back where they came from election.

    Election security should trump ANY other concerns.

    Do you think that any group of voters should trump election security?
     
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    I DO NOT LIKE POOR SECURITY IN ELECTIONS.

    I equated this excuse to not secure elections to the dems excuse.

    There are not millions that are stationed overseas. Those in the US should vote where they are physically located not some back where they came from election.
    Absentee ballots are not just about military. They are also not synonymous with mail-in ballots. I guess you can yell at the clouds on this one, because it is not going to go away.

    Here are Indiana's requirements to get a ballot. I do like #10
    To vote absentee-by-mail in Indiana, a voter must be able to personally mark their own ballot and sign their name to the completed ballot security envelope and have a reason to request an absentee vote-by-mail ballot:

    1. You have a specific, reasonable expectation that you will be absent from the county on Election Day during the entire 12 hours that the polls are open (6 am until 6 pm).
    2. You have a disability.
    3. You are at least 65 years of age.
    4. You will have official election duties outside of your voting precinct.
    5. You are scheduled to work at your regular place of employment during the entire 12 hours that the polls are open.
    6. You will be confined due to illness or injury or you will be caring for an individual confined due to illness or injury during the entire 12 hours that the polls are open.
    7. You are prevented from voting because of a religious discipline or religious holiday during the entire 12 hours that the polls are open.
    8. You are a participant in the state's address confidentiality program.
    9. You are a member of the military or a public safety officer.
    10. You are a "serious sex offender" as defined in Indiana Code 35-42-4-14(a).
    11. You are prevented from voting due to the unavailability of transportation to the polls.
     

    Ingomike

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    Absentee ballots are not just about military. They are also not synonymous with mail-in ballots. I guess you can yell at the clouds on this one, because it is not going to go away.

    Here are Indiana's requirements to get a ballot. I do like #10
    Simple question: Do you think that any group of voters should trump election security?
     

    indyblue

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    Mail in voting != absentee voting.

    An absentee ballot must be requested by the voter while meeting the requirements for such a request.

    Mail-in ballots are mailed indiscriminately to many/all voters without any gating factors for security.

    IMO apples vs oranges.
     

    JettaKnight

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    I have my issues with the Republican Party.

    1) Do you believe or expect the parties will go back to their pre-Trump corners after Trump?
    The Democrats have wised up and turned toward the center to soak up the disenfranchised; I don't expect that to change. I expect them to keep silent on BLM, trans rights, defund the police, etc.

    What the post Trump GOP looks like is harder to see Who will step into the vacuum?

    2) Do you believe the Republicans that have endorsed Kamala Harris are doing what they believe is best for the Republican Party? What's best for America? What's best for themselves? Is it irrelevant?
    Most of them like Pence are already had-beens in terms of their political career, and by openly endorsing Kamala they've completely ostracized themselves, so they certainly aren't doing it for they're own ambitions. I truly believe they are doing it for the good of the party and the country as they see it.

    Others may disagree with their views, but I believe they are altruistic.

    3) Do you believe the Republican Party was viable in a General Election after Romney's 2012 loss but before Trump's 2015 candidacy?
    Romney failed to ignite the base and was facing a popular incumbent. 2014 saw a win for the GOP, so yes I think we were on the right path.

    4) What Republicans are suitable candidates for you?
    I'm general, Banks, Young, Holcolm, on a presidential level, maybe Haley, Cruz

    5) Do you believe there is a desire from the electorate for a national platform for the Republican Party that was similar to the 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008 and 2012 platforms?
    Is like to see us get back to pro-life, steering foreign policy, anti-decificit, and be in to win.

    I feel betrayed on pro-life issues, and even what I thought were anti-abortion have so quickly thrown it by the wayside when Trump did.

    On the last point, we can't win by constantly shrinking. This One True Scotsman GOP will never work. This TDS RINO nonsense will only serve to shrink the party down to hard-line idealist with no pragmatism.

    Is like to get back to a place where politicians could reach across the isle to make good changes. Now we politicians who seemingly only care about how they score on Twitter.

    For example immigration, instead of working to solve it now, we've used it as cudgel to get Trump back. Look at how much he talks about immigration and tell me he didn't spend the last four years trying to obstruct any progress on that issue.
    These are honest questions, not meant to be gotcha questions. All are welcome to answer.
    Much appreciated.
     

    JettaKnight

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    He's leaving that up to the states, where it belongs.
    Ok it's a state issue Hooray! It's a GWB "Mission Accomplished" carrier moment.

    But what happens when abortions keep rising? Was the objective to overturn Roe or reduce abortions?

    We have red states get the sticks, but will the GOP get some carrots?
     

    JettaKnight

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    One more thing: The GOP needs to stop vilifying immigrants.

    Immigrants are more conservative and more Christian than native born Americans.

    This xenophobia only serves to weaken the party in the long run.
     
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