Republican Party Favorability Sinks to Record Low

[GunsNstuff]

You're what's called an fringe-wing and your vote, thankfully, represents a minority of voters and unfortunately your incapability of toleration is what will cost you another election if your party doesn't get their **** straight.



No, I'm middle of the road. That is what conservatives are, fair minded middle of the road. McCain is pretty left of center. Obama and the rest fo the Democrat party is so far extreme left that it's not even funny. It's natural to lurch left. Left requires no thought. Being left is to be intellectually lazy. That's why people naturally drift that way. They get lazy over time. Everyone wants to give everyone a trophy and once you forget why that is a bad idea because it requires too much energy to think about it, you become a McCain leftist still calling himself a Republican. The Democrats go further left and the Republicans follow them over there. I however am not lazy and enjoy thinking. That is why I am conservative. I do not support people, or their political views just because they call themselves Republicans. I support principles and don't compromise them to satisfy nasty people in either the Republican or Democrat party.

People like you seem to enjoy attacking people like me. Crying about how you will lose elections because YOU LOST people like me with your leftism and your numb brains. Instead of trying to find out why I don't support the leftist Republicans (basically 1960's Democrats), you do the far left thing and make goofball personal attacks. Your moderates run the House because of people like me. Not because of people like you. I am a Reagan Conservative. I don't care about your foolish left wing Republican nonsense and I will no longer tolerate it. You move back to the right, to common sense, or embrace the death of your political party because you have absolutely zero to sell to me and millions of other conservatives.

 

[Streak]

No, I'm middle of the road. That is what conservatives are, fair minded middle of the road. McCain is pretty left of center. Obama and the rest fo the Democrat party is so far extreme left that it's not even funny. It's natural to lurch left. Left requires no thought. Being left is to be intellectually lazy. That's why people naturally drift that way. They get lazy over time. Everyone wants to give everyone a trophy and once you forget why that is a bad idea because it requires too much energy to think about it, you become a McCain leftist still calling himself a Republican. The Democrats go further left and the Republicans follow them over there. I however am not lazy and enjoy thinking. That is why I am conservative. I do not support people, or their political views just because they call themselves Republicans. I support principles and don't compromise them to satisfy nasty people in either the Republican or Democrat party.

People like you seem to enjoy attacking people like me. Crying about how you will lose elections because YOU LOST people like me with your leftism and your numb brains. Instead of trying to find out why I don't support the leftist Republicans (basically 1960's Democrats), you do the far left thing and make goofball personal attacks. Your moderates run the House because of people like me. Not because of people like you. I am a Reagan Conservative. I don't care about your foolish left wing Republican nonsense and I will no longer tolerate it. You move back to the right, to common sense, or embrace the death of your political party because you have absolutely zero to sell to me and millions of other conservatives.

LOLOLOL. On what scale are you looking at? In the global scale America is a center-right (at best) leaning government. Obama isn't even a true Liberal Democrat, Obamacare shows more of a right-wing than a left-wing ideology. A true left-wing "Obamacare" would've made it single payer supported by taxes. Extreme left-wing would've made it illegal to not take the single payer and made it illegal for private health insurance.

Conservationism is a right-wing ideology. What you're calling "middle of the road" is either a moderate or an Independent (moderates swaying to the left or right a bit). [edited by moderator] If you literally think one ideology or another is stupid simply because of the ideology than you don't understand just how far to one side you lean.

I can honestly say that this is the first time that anyone has ever claimed to be a conservative and that being a conservative meant you were an Independent. I'm just...wow.

Reagan Conservative. I don't care about your foolish left wing Republican nonsense and I will no longer tolerate it. You move back to the right, to common sense, or embrace the death of your political party because you have absolutely zero to sell to me and millions of other conservatives.

That's you not going for an independent view. That's you trying to sway a vote to the right...that's you not being "middle of the road".

If you can't keep your lies straight in a single post, you'll convince no one in any other post.

 

[Trooper]

LOLOLOL. On what scale are you looking at? In the global scale America is a center-right (at best) leaning government. Obama isn't even a true Liberal Democrat, Obamacare shows more of a right-wing than a left-wing ideology. A true left-wing "Obamacare" would've made it single payer supported by taxes. Extreme left-wing would've made it illegal to not take the single payer and made it illegal for private health insurance.

Conservationism is a right-wing ideology. What you're calling "middle of the road" is either a moderate or an Independent (moderates swaying to the left or right a bit). [edited by moderator] If you literally think one ideology or another is stupid simply because of the ideology than you don't understand just how far to one side you lean.

I can honestly say that this is the first time that anyone has ever claimed to be a conservative and that being a conservative meant you were an Independent. I'm just...wow.



That's you not going for an independent view. That's you trying to sway a vote to the right...that's you not being "middle of the road".

If you can't keep your lies straight in a single post, you'll convince no one in any other post.

That is the stuff we get from the far left. That Obama is right wing. That would be true of the scale only measured collectivism with communism on the far left and fascism on the right. Obama is a fascist. So is Obamacare.

What is the American right is conservativism with libertarianism even farther to the right. Radical individualism is extreme right. At worst, conservativism is middle of the road. Americans tend to be a bit conservative, a bit libertarian. Even many democrats. What Americans are not is fascist or even socialists.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

LOLOLOL. On what scale are you looking at? In the global scale America is a center-right (at best) leaning government. Obama isn't even a true Liberal Democrat, Obamacare shows more of a right-wing than a left-wing ideology. A true left-wing "Obamacare" would've made it single payer supported by taxes. Extreme left-wing would've made it illegal to not take the single payer and made it illegal for private health insurance.

Conservationism is a right-wing ideology. What you're calling "middle of the road" is either a moderate or an Independent (moderates swaying to the left or right a bit). [edited by moderator] If you literally think one ideology or another is stupid simply because of the ideology than you don't understand just how far to one side you lean.

I can honestly say that this is the first time that anyone has ever claimed to be a conservative and that being a conservative meant you were an Independent. I'm just...wow.



That's you not going for an independent view. That's you trying to sway a vote to the right...that's you not being "middle of the road".

If you can't keep your lies straight in a single post, you'll convince no one in any other post.

You might want to think twice before you start calling a person describing his personal philosophy a liar, buddy.

 

[Streak]

You might want to think twice before you start calling a person describing his personal philosophy a liar, buddy.

I'm sorry, what word describes someone who says two opposite things in the same sentence? Literally if you have that word I'll change it. Because he says in one part that he's a "middle of the road" and in the second he's calling for Democrats to go back to the "right wing" to get his vote.

I'm also not your buddy, pal.

 

[GunsNstuff]

LOLOLOL. On what scale are you looking at? In the global scale America is a center-right (at best) leaning government. Obama isn't even a true Liberal Democrat, Obamacare shows more of a right-wing than a left-wing ideology. A true left-wing "Obamacare" would've made it single payer supported by taxes. Extreme left-wing would've made it illegal to not take the single payer and made it illegal for private health insurance.

Conservationism is a right-wing ideology. What you're calling "middle of the road" is either a moderate or an Independent (moderates swaying to the left or right a bit). [edited by moderator] If you literally think one ideology or another is stupid simply because of the ideology than you don't understand just how far to one side you lean.

I can honestly say that this is the first time that anyone has ever claimed to be a conservative and that being a conservative meant you were an Independent. I'm just...wow

No Republican, not even a moderate Republican would say Obama is more right than left. Not even sane Democrats argue nonsense like that. You're such a leftist nut that you think anyone who is against abortion 5 minutes before a full term birth is a right wing nut imposing his laws on a woman's body. I would say wow, but you drones don't shock me anymore.

You comparing America's left/right to other countries as a gauge for America says you're a leftist globalist. Center right of a communist or socialist nation is pretty damn fringe left for America.

You either don't remember why Obamacare couldn't go single payer right away, you don't understand why, or you're a typical leftist liar (Which is what I think U are) and you're pretending that actually understanding why that is makes me an Alex Jones nutjob believing in conspiracies. Try again goofball, your nonsense is pretty good for middle school kids, but that's about it.

I'm not an independent. I'm a Republican. A real Republican. I'm just not a leftist or a moderate who is taking over the Republican party. But what do you care, you're no Republican. You're an Obama bot. Only a silly Obama-bot would ever say Obama is more right than left. That is completely ridiculous and impressively stupid. Or just a big fat liberal lie, which is what I say you're doing. Misrepresenting yourself. You even argue like a leftist nut.

 

[Streak]

That is the stuff we get from the far left. That Obama is right wing. That would be true of the scale only measured collectivism with communism on the far left and fascism on the right. Obama is a fascist. So is Obamacare.

What is the American right is conservativism with libertarianism even farther to the right. Radical individualism is extreme right. At worst, conservativism is middle of the road. Americans tend to be a bit conservative, a bit libertarian. Even many democrats. What Americans are not is fascist or even socialists.

No, no, no, no, no. Obama isn't right wing. He's center-left or leans to the right of "left" (confusing, but if you understand right-wing/left-wing you get this).

I suppose we should break down conservativism, are we talking fiscal or social? One can be a fiscal conservative and still be considered moderate or possibly independent if they were somewhat socially liberal.

As for the socialist argument, I wonder what your definition of socialism is. Most conservatives I've ever talk to seem to equate it to a Lenin Communist view, which it's not. In fact it's entirely possible to have a socio-capitalist state.

I'm certainly not a true Democrat.

I also believe that your belief of conservativism being middle of the road is more of a generational thing. The American baby boomer generation is pretty right-wing in nature and has grown moreso over the years. Gen X and to some extent the Millennials (most of us have not yet had time to take any real control...so it's still a bit up in the air) are far less conservative than the former generations. People say this is an age thing, but truly these generations have different values and belief systems. That's why you see religion dying rather quickly in America and the world.

I think in today's world you can't call conservativism a "middle of the road" view. That doesn't reflect the population numbers (baby boomers are entering their "golden years" or are dying off) and as time continues I think you'll see a more "liberal" center.

 

[GunsNstuff]

I'm sorry, what word describes someone who says two opposite things in the same sentence? Literally if you have that word I'll change it. Because he says in one part that he's a "middle of the road" and in the second he's calling for Democrats to go back to the "right wing" to get his vote.

I'm also not your buddy, pal.

Democrats are so far left at this point that they cant' even see where the center is at. If Obama was half the leftist he is today, he would still call JFK a Tea Party Republican. Do you really not understand this? If you like, I'll hold your hand and walk you through it. I am not sure you're capable of the required comprehension skills though.

Conservatives are pretty middle of the road. I am speaking of the REAL middle, not the perceived, media created middle. You buffoons own the media & you move farther to the left and drag that center line with you as U pretend the center line never moved. Well it did move & U radicals moved it, but you only drew new lines on the scale. The actual center still exists and that is where I reside. A conservative is center. A conservative has always been center. The lying media and Democrats pretended that the center moved. It didn't, I never contradict myself, and you jusy simply do not know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[LANShark42]

I know, I know -
America is a terrible place to live in.

I hear that Cuba has an opening available, if you're interested.

**** that! You might not be concerned about what politicians are doing to our once-great country, but those of us who ARE upset about it have EVERY right to complain. And EVERY right to DO something about it at the polls.

 

[Streak]

Democrats are so far left at this point that they cant' even see where the center is at. If Obama was half the leftist he is today, he would still call JFK a Tea Party Republican. Do you really not understand this? If you like, I'll hold your hand and walk you through it. I am not sure you're capable of the required comprehension skills though.

Conservatives are pretty middle of the road. I am speaking of the REAL middle, not the perceived, media created middle. You buffoons own the media & you move farther to the left and drag that center line with you as U pretend the center never moved. Well it did move & U radicals moved it, but you only drew new lines on the scale. The actual center still exists and that is where I reside. A conservative is center. A conservative has always been center. The lying media and Democrats pretended that the center moved. It didn't, I never contradict myself, and you jusy simply do not know what the hell you're talking about.

The same is said of Republicans (they're so far right they don't know where center is).

I am speaking of the REAL middle, not the perceived, media created middle. You buffoons own the media & you move farther to the left and drag that center line with you as U pretend the center never moved. Well it did move & U radicals moved it, but you only drew new lines on the scale.

I should mail you some tinfoil now.

What I will do is agree with you that America is moving more and more left. It'll never get to the point of communism, but it will reach a left that the UK or German or Japan is at. By global standards we're a right-wing nation and that's changing. America is starting to align itself to match other countries and whether you think that's good or bad is irrelevant. Leftist America isn't that far off and once the baby boomer generation dies off it'll bank hard left.

 

[GunsNstuff]

The same is said of Republicans (they're so far right they don't know where center is).



I should mail you some tinfoil now.

What I will do is agree with you that America is moving more and more left. It'll never get to the point of communism, but it will reach a left that the UK or German or Japan is at. By global standards we're a right-wing nation and that's changing. America is starting to align itself to match other countries and whether you think that's good or bad is irrelevant. Leftist America isn't that far off and once the baby boomer generation dies off it'll bank hard left.

You've got to be kidding me? Republicans are to the right of Reagan? LOL. Yeah, McCain and Rove make Reagan look like a leftist LOL. [Edited by Moderator]

Tinfoil for what? I don't listen to Alex Jones. Send it to his fans & get yourself an insult book. Tinfoil hat insults don't apply to anything I've said & therefore make no sense at all. Try harder at insulting me.

"It'll never get to the point of communism" - Why won't it ever?

" America is starting to align itself to match other countries and whether you think that's good or bad is irrelevant. Leftist America isn't that far off and once the baby boomer generation dies off it'll bank hard left." - lol. I hear lots of silly kids saying that same nonsense. U so clearly suffer from the mental illness of leftism, assuming political views in people are static & that "old people" can die off & take their politics with them. It does appear that you have pivoted and are now agreeing with me that Dems have moved left, Repubs have moved left & conservatism is still what it always was, middle of the road. Or maybe it will take U 3 more posts to agree with the last part.

 

[Streak]

You've got to be kidding me? Republicans are to the right of Reagan? LOL. Yeah, McCain and Rove make Reagan look like a leftist LOL. Jesus dude, talk about having your head up your ass. What's it taste like up there?

Tinfoil for what? I don't listen to Alex Jones. Send it to his fans & get yourself an insult book. Tinfoil hat insults don't apply to anything I've said & therefore make no sense at all. Try harder at insulting me.

"It'll never get to the point of communism" - Why won't it ever?

" America is starting to align itself to match other countries and whether you think that's good or bad is irrelevant. Leftist America isn't that far off and once the baby boomer generation dies off it'll bank hard left." - lol. I hear lots of silly kids saying that same nonsense. U so clearly suffer from the mental illness of leftism, assuming political views in people are static & that "old people" can die off & take their politics with them. It does appear that you have pivoted and are now agreeing with me that Dems have moved left, Repubs have moved left & conservatism is still what it always was, middle of the road. Or maybe it will take U 3 more posts to agree with the last part.

mental illness of leftism

I find it very telling that someone who has a different view of you has a mental illness. The Republicans have moved rather right and the Democrats have moved farther left -- that is what I said. I've simplified it for you. Both parties are becoming more polarized.

 

[Dead Duck]

I find it very telling that someone who has a different view of you has a mental illness. The Republicans have moved rather right and the Democrats have moved farther left -- that is what I said. I've simplified it for you. Both parties are becoming more polarized.

Correct -

The Rights are right and the Lefts are wrong - That's how it's always been. So why all the arguing?

 

[GunsNstuff]

I find it very telling that someone who has a different view of you has a mental illness. The Republicans have moved rather right and the Democrats have moved farther left -- that is what I said. I've simplified it for you. Both parties are becoming more polarized.

The problem is that you're simplifying something that is not true. That makes your simplification a clumsy pile of buffoonish nonsense.

Republicans have moved left, not right. The appearance of people like Cruz comes from the Republicans that did not move left & did not die off. Given how far left both parties have moved, they tend to see what use to be a normal Republican like Cruz as a fringe right extremist.

Now, I simplified an actual truth for you. I expect you to reject it though.

 

[g00n24]

Libtards always like to say the Right/conservatives/republicans are moving farther right...That is why they are ****ing retarded and vote for morons like Reid/Pelosi/obummer...

The Right/conservatives support (supposedly support) the Constitution. Supporting the Constitution is a fixed position to take, going further "right" would become supporting anarchy, as the Constitution is the rule of law. The dummycraps saying the right is moving more right is the same as being on a boat going out to sea and saying "boy...that beach sure is moving far away!" The republican party has been wading out into the ocean farther and farther over the years, at least the republican establishment. At least now we have guys with a Libertarian flare that are trying to cast a net and bring the republican party back to the beach (which for the libtard obama drones here is a metaphor for the Constitution).

 

[RobbyMaQ]

Let's try to keep the debate civil?
There will not be any additional warnings

 

[Expat]

I see the Democrat Underground operatives are out in force today.

 

[Rookie]

I'll keep an eye on this Robby.

 

[Streak]

I see the Democrat Underground operatives are out in force today.

Believe it or not, I've never been to that site.


However one thing I'd like to do is apologize to those who thought I was being insulting. Indeed I've re-read some of my posts and agree to that, in the future I'll try and temper my comments to be less insulting. This will be irregardless of others insulting me.

We can all have different opinions, but it doesn't do anyone any good to be cruel or mean. So to those people I've offended or insulted directly (my having a different view isn't an insult ), I'm sorry.

 

[rgrimm01]

I don't know if you're an Obama supporter... or just young...

I would guess young and to some degree educated. That he places stock in what is read and in theoretical as opposed to actual. That is an observation, not a critism. It takes me back to debates I had in my late teens/early 20's. The person was arguing the awesomeness of [one term] misunderstoodand under-appreciated Jimmy Carter...

I would ask him to ponder whether cynics are born or become that way and if become that way, what is the mechanism responsible.

What is not readily apparent to some will become evident in time, adequate life span contingent. As we live through these political maneuvers that recur ad naseum, the allure of the theoretical subsides and the painful sting of the actual becomes more than can be ignored.

... America is starting to align itself to match other countries and whether you think that's good or bad is irrelevant...

How ironic that America was/is populated by people escaping what some would have us embrace/align...