Organizing an OC event in Indy! Stand up for your Rights!

[The Meach]

I hope this gets off the ground, don't analyze it to death, ....

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[quicksdraw]

I'm very interested, but my attendance will depend upon the date chosen.

 

[public servant]

How about " I commit to coming, if I'm not working"?

Well...the whole idea was to have enough time to rearrange work schedules...and to not plan other activities that someone might not be able to change...but thanks for the help. You've been watching the Mr. Obvious videos again, huh??

Long time listener...first time caller?

 

[public servant]

Oh well...SE...let me know what date you set when it gets closer.

 

[Bigum1969]

Ryan, Post a Date, Time and Location for this event. Infiltrators are your least worries. Folks need to be able to plan this activity, Group Participation is what you need to get this off the ground.

 

[don't_tread_on_me]

I agree post a time, date, and location and I will attend if I am not working. Who cares if the libtards show up....they were terrified by one guy showing up outside a townhall meeting with one gun. They'd be too busy pissin' their pants at the site of a crowd of armed law abiding citizens to cause any trouble.

 

[Archbishop]

It would be interesting to know what people are planning on carrying. Just make sure those SKS's are 922r compliant!!!

I certainly don't want to thread jack this so if someone would be so kind as to PM me and let me know what the specs are for the 922R. I might decide to carry my Yugo SKS and would want to be on the up and up. Thanks in advance.
Oh, count me in conditionally that my schedule allows.

 

[public servant]

I certainly don't want to thread jack this so if someone would be so kind as to PM me and let me know what the specs are for the 922R. I might decide to carry my Yugo SKS and would want to be on the up and up. Thanks in advance.

PM sent.

 

[SavageEagle]

OK I get it. Set a date. We won't worry about infiltrators since there are LEO's interested in attending. Since there will be some there and some military/ex military, I think we'll be ok.

To be completely honest, I had no idea so many people would step up to the plate this time. We had 45 people willing the last time around, but those were people in different states, not just this one. There was only 15 from this state. IIRC. So I had no clue so many people were ready for something like this.

We will set a date as soon as we hold the first meeting FTF. If we could hold the meeting this weekend that would be great. Those who can't attend, if we could set up an IRC chat or messenger conference or something so you can still be IN on it that would work. If you can't do either, you can just be filled in later. Sound good?

I'm sorry, I had 4 pages to look through and this early, in this house, 4 kids and 2 women in my ear... So please forgive me for not addressing some posts. This is why a FTF meeting would be better.

SO. I've decided if you would like to attend, you can email me your username and email address and real name is optional. First name, last INITIAL. If we have more than one Ryan S or what not, I'll have your username so not a problem. This way I can update the OP list easier and have your email addy's so I can mass email any updates should we decide to keep anything private.

This may not be a good idea, but if you have less than 50 posts or have a red bar for Reputation, you'll be excluded from the list and have to rely on this thread for updates. I know that sounds mean or whatever, but it's not enough information to know if you're with us or against us. The only exception will be if someone in good standing can vouch for you. Just know that person is responsible for your actions at the march.

These are just some thoughts I've had since I've been gone.

I don't see any problem with this. I think it will be beneficial to have females and young ones there with us as well.

I would encourage parents to bring their family. All ages. That's why safety is top priority.

Agreed.

I would recommend keeping a list of the people who are interested & have a sizable amount of posts which indicate they're on the side of Liberty.

Once a date is decided (chosen by convenience for the core group of organizers & likelihood of high visibility), then send PMs to those individuals who remain on the groomed list.

I can't think of another or better way to go about this. If we simply post the date, then be ready for lib-tards to show up to derail the event. Just picture people in factory-torn jeans, t-shirts with trendy logos, and NERF guns jeering & blocking our progression.

An OC flash-mob, or what could be perceived as one would be the best imo.

I'm picturing us parking at 8 separate locations all around the circle & converging upon it for maximum interest & visibility. Then, unless the circle monument is controlled by Parks & Rec, encircling it. Nobody saying anything, just standing there at attention with our long guns slung over our shoulders & sidearms on our hips, saluting the flag & the Soldiers' & Sailors' Monument. The visual impact of that would make more of a statement than 100 poster-boards on sticks.

I like the idea of parking in different areas and meeting at the circle, but as was pointed out elsewhere, some people are just not going to feel comfortable walking alone in this. We don't want to go this route. Yet. Maybe next time. A central location to start is prefered. I just don't know where. I know where we could park and have a route in mind. I will save it for the meeting though. We might have to walk the sidewalk on the outside the circle because it's a monument. If it's a state monument it will be ok, but if it's a CITY monument it's a no no.

I do like your idea of stopping to salute the flag. We should most DEFINATELY use this.

LOL, so we can fumble around with our loaded pistols that are to dangerous to take out of a holster and let a police officer hold?

Asked to leave by whom? I thought the whole point was it's a public place and every one has the absolute legal right to be there with a weapon?

Please don't do this. It's counter productive. We all know our pistols don't come out the holster unless we are in danger ourselves. PERIOD. I figured that was understood. If you act in an unsafe manner or cause problems, the GROUP will ask you to leave. If you refuse, that's your right, but it's our right to have police escort you away. We do not want this as it paints us all in a bad light. If you plan to not follow the rules that will be set forth don't bother showing up. We want this to go smoothly and awaken the sheeple and show them we're not ignorant.

I think it is obvious since we have already stated that pistols should stay holstered, this is no different than you normal carry gun!

Asked to leave by whom? Me, Savage, others. If you at the range and someone sweeps you, do you just let it go or ask them not to? It is the point that it's a public place and everyone has the absolute legal right to be there, however it is our duty as gunowners to ensure proper firearm handling, ESPECIALLY IN PUBLIC!!!

This.





Now, if you would like to be on the list of those FOR SURE coming regardless of a Saturday or Sunday or MAYBE depending on the day, email me your info and tell me yes or maybe in the subject line. If you would like to, this is optional, please state what types of firearms you think you will bring. You don't have to say, it's all up to you. Along with your information, please email me your suggestions for the march. They will be written down and presented at the FTF meeting and discussed and decided on. Whether or not the route will be announced will be discussed also. If you have no suggestions but would like to give me just the required info, that's fine too.

Ryan Savage
tha.daddy@yahoo.com


Rest assured only I will have your information and it will be stored on a USB key so that no one will have access to it besides me. I will not sell, give away, or otherwise compromise your information without your express written consent.

 

[colt45er]

Also, I would suggest letting Savage know if you are interested in carrying a long gun but do not have one suitable. IE, no sling, just dont have one, etc.

We surely will have some that have ones that can be lent out.

 

[IndyBeerman]

While I don't think I'll be able to attend because of prior obligations on almost every weekend till Nov.

I do think that some signs do need to be present, stating a reason and cause, otherwise any Tom, Dick or Jane driving by will think that everyone is nothing but a bunch of nut jobs with guns.

That alone could cause some problems, you want people to be informed of the reason for your gathering at the Soldiers & Sailors Monument. You want them to be encouraged to come up and ask questions, feel secure, this would not be the case if some sort of signage was not present.

Just remember you need to look at this as a person sitting in the stands looking down on the field, they may see a game but unless they see the type of ball you have, all they see is a bunch of people, and that is where a few well worded signs can be the difference between rash and reason.

 

[henktermaat]

While I don't think I'll be able to attend because of prior obligations on almost every weekend till Nov.

I do think that some signs do need to be present, stating a reason and cause, otherwise any Tom, Dick or Jane driving by will think that everyone is nothing but a bunch of nut jobs with guns.

That alone could cause some problems, you want people to be informed of the reason for your gathering at the Soldiers & Sailors Monument. You want them to be encouraged to come up and ask questions, feel secure, this would not be the case if some sort of signage was not present.

Just remember you need to look at this as a person sitting in the stands looking down on the field, they may see a game but unless they see the type of ball you have, all they see is a bunch of people, and that is where a few well worded signs can be the difference between rash and reason.

That is some great thinking... now we need sign ideas...

 

[Vigilant]

So, you want to plan an event about our "freedoms", but yet you are trying to restrict this event to only those of like minds( no dissenting opinions), with a permission slip from the state(can't carry a long gun without an LTCH)? I'm just sayin'.

 

[henktermaat]

So, you want to plan an event about our "freedoms", but yet you are trying to restrict this event to only those of like minds( no dissenting opinions), with a permission slip from the state(can't carry a long gun without an LTCH)? I'm just sayin'.

It makes sense for safety, this is no tea party. A "dissenter" to this particular cause could do untold amounts of damage.

As for no long-guns without LTCH, I say screw that. Let's just go with "legal" and leave it at that.

That is just my opinion though, and I respect the wishes of the organizer. Being extra careful sure as hell never hurt anyone.

 

[Vigilant]

It makes sense for safety, this is no tea party. A "dissenter" to this particular cause could do untold amounts of damage.

As for no long-guns without LTCH, I say screw that. Let's just go with "legal" and leave it at that.

That is just my opinion though, and I respect the wishes of the organizer. Being extra careful sure as hell never hurt anyone.

One sided political demonstrations are useless. If we can't defend our rights from the naysayers in person, why bother carrying the firearms at all. I thought this was at least a little about getting people, EVEN ones who do not share our views, to get used to the fact that it is a LEGAL practice? YMMV, but I couldn't sign on to something about protecting my rights while restricting them? I'm silly that way I guess.

 

[henktermaat]

One sided political demonstrations are useless. If we can't defend our rights from the naysayers in person, why bother carrying the firearms at all. I thought this was at least a little about getting people, EVEN ones who do not share our views, to get used to the fact that it is a LEGAL practice? YMMV, but I couldn't sign on to something about protecting my rights while restricting them? I'm silly that way I guess.

I don't think this is a one-sided thing at all, It's my opinion that the public is the other side... They're the ones who don't share the views that guns are ok.

This is a great time to excercise your right to OC... why not sign on for that

And if you choose not to, you still have that right. You can do it anytime you like. No one it taking away your rights

 

[SavageEagle]

While I don't think I'll be able to attend because of prior obligations on almost every weekend till Nov.

I do think that some signs do need to be present, stating a reason and cause, otherwise any Tom, Dick or Jane driving by will think that everyone is nothing but a bunch of nut jobs with guns.

That alone could cause some problems, you want people to be informed of the reason for your gathering at the Soldiers & Sailors Monument. You want them to be encouraged to come up and ask questions, feel secure, this would not be the case if some sort of signage was not present.

Just remember you need to look at this as a person sitting in the stands looking down on the field, they may see a game but unless they see the type of ball you have, all they see is a bunch of people, and that is where a few well worded signs can be the difference between rash and reason.

Maybe those that don't carry a long gun can carry the signs. It'll be hard to carry a rifle and a sign. That's a lot to walk with and worry about. I'd rather we not be shouting anything or chanting. Just talking amongst ourselves and to others who have questions while we walk. Signs are ok, but please no shouting unless someone honks and we give them a woo hooo or what not. Just a thought.

Remember, suggestions will be discussed at the FTF meeting. Things will be hammered out then. Keep the suggestions rolling!

So, you want to plan an event about our "freedoms", but yet you are trying to restrict this event to only those of like minds( no dissenting opinions), with a permission slip from the state(can't carry a long gun without an LTCH)? I'm just sayin'.

One sided political demonstrations are useless. If we can't defend our rights from the naysayers in person, why bother carrying the firearms at all. I thought this was at least a little about getting people, EVEN ones who do not share our views, to get used to the fact that it is a LEGAL practice? YMMV, but I couldn't sign on to something about protecting my rights while restricting them? I'm silly that way I guess.

Yes I'm restricting this inital event. It's about perception right now. This is a first for this state, maybe even this Country, but certainly for this Century.

The LTCH is to make sure you are LEGAL to carry a firearm. I'm not going to go through the trouble of background checks just to make sure you're not a felon, but having a carry permit or some form of military or LE ID being required shows you are ok to carry. That's why I'm REQUIRING it. I don't mind being confronted by others who have dissenting views. I do mind someone coming up causing problems. I'm not trying to restrict anyone's rights. I'm trying to get us to make a BIG statement and get this to catch on to other cities, other states. I want to see more people carrying when I go to the grocery store. That's what this is about. I'm sorry you feel this way, but no one said you had to come. If you come, great. We can debate in person for a change. Civil like. If you don't want to come that's fine too. It's your choice. But if you come you will be expected to follow the rules or leave. That's how it is, and I'd like to say I'm sorry if you don't like it, but I'm not. I won't be sorry for hurting feelings.

I'm starting a brush fire in the hearts of Patriots hoping for a forest fire to follow. This must go off without a hitch or we will be toughted as the losers from Indiana that helped give the Brady's the influence they need to pass more gun laws. No one wants that.

 

[ATF Consumer]

Get me a list of verbiage to put on signs and I can print up some 13" x 19" signs on some cover weight stock. I will print up as many as we need at no charge.
We need to make these signs ASAP as I won't have the capability much longer...

Rather than clog this thread with those, you can PM me and I will make them up.

These will be professionally printed with no spelling errors

 

[dburkhead]

If you refuse, that's your right, but it's our right to have police escort you away.

Might want to be careful here. If it's a public place, I do not believe you do have that right. Renting a venue is one thing--and you do have an entirely legitimate right to exclude attendance at such a venue from anyone--but a "public place" is just that, public. A group of people cannot legitimately ask someone else to leave a public place because they don't like his behavior. Now, illegal or unsafe ("reckless endangerment" unsafe) behavior is a different matter and that's where having LEOs on hand comes in really handy.

On the subject that others have brought up about LTCH, technically one isn't needed for long arms, but if there is a school within 1000 ft of the path of the march, one runs afoul of the Federal "gun free school zone" law. Guns are verboten within 1000 ft of a school except in certain, specific, cases (unloaded and locked in the trunk of a motor vehicle, on private property not part of the school, authorized by the school, that sort of thing). The only exception that would apply to a march on public thoroughfares is being in possession of a firearms carry license good in the State, for us, that's a LTCH.

Another thing to consider is what laws and ordinances Indiana and Indianapolis might have about large public gatherings and "parades." These are usually justified on grounds of safety, obstructing traffic, etc. (The right to peaceably assemble is not generally interpreted to mean that one can use any public venue that catches one's fancy at any given time.)

We need to make sure that we are scrupulous in obeying the law. There can not be even the appearance of impropriety or the whole thing could backfire badly. Better to take a bit more time and do it right than to rush and have something go wrong, possibly badly wrong.

 

[Vigilant]

Maybe those that don't carry a long gun can carry the signs. It'll be hard to carry a rifle and a sign. That's a lot to walk with and worry about. I'd rather we not be shouting anything or chanting. Just talking amongst ourselves and to others who have questions while we walk. Signs are ok, but please no shouting unless someone honks and we give them a woo hooo or what not. Just a thought.

Remember, suggestions will be discussed at the FTF meeting. Things will be hammered out then. Keep the suggestions rolling!






Yes I'm restricting this inital event. It's about perception right now. This is a first for this state, maybe even this Country, but certainly for this Century.

The LTCH is to make sure you are LEGAL to carry a firearm. I'm not going to go through the trouble of background checks just to make sure you're not a felon, but having a carry permit or some form of military or LE ID being required shows you are ok to carry. That's why I'm REQUIRING it. I don't mind being confronted by others who have dissenting views. I do mind someone coming up causing problems. I'm not trying to restrict anyone's rights. I'm trying to get us to make a BIG statement and get this to catch on to other cities, other states. I want to see more people carrying when I go to the grocery store. That's what this is about. I'm sorry you feel this way, but no one said you had to come. If you come, great. We can debate in person for a change. Civil like. If you don't want to come that's fine too. It's your choice. But if you come you will be expected to follow the rules or leave. That's how it is, and I'd like to say I'm sorry if you don't like it, but I'm not. I won't be sorry for hurting feelings.

I'm starting a brush fire in the hearts of Patriots hoping for a forest fire to follow. This must go off without a hitch or we will be toughted as the losers from Indiana that helped give the Brady's the influence they need to pass more gun laws. No one wants that.

Thanks but no! You nor anyone else, (without statutory authority) will be checking my "papers". What you are starting has already been started. No permission slip no carry! The fact that you need no permission slip in this state to carry a long gun, must be lost on you. You actually sound like those you are protesting, after all, they only want reasonable measures of gun control.