Organizing an OC event in Indy! Stand up for your Rights!

[Metro 40]

Are the police there for safety? I thought the point of this walk was to show the public you can legally carry guns and to educate about our 2nd amendment rights. Doesn't having a police escort (government supervision) defeat the purpose?

I made that point earlier, but my post was mysteriously deleted.

I thought the entire premise for this "walk" was to "stand up for your rights." Asking government permission and having a police escort doesn't sound like standing up for rights to me. And as far as having police there in case a "crackhead" tries to snatch a gun away.....really? That never happens. Just check the myriad of OC threads on this very board for proof. Are firearms so dangerous that a group of citizens OC'ing them need a police escort to protect them from crackheads? Because that's the message that will be sent when people see a group of people walking around with long guns, followed closely by the police.

 

[bowhunter_1978]

It's not about supervising us, it about protection in case any Anti's show up to cause problems.

I wasn't aware that anyone was participating in this walk to make a statement against government. I'm going to assert my patriotism and my 2nd Amendment rights.


As Savage stated, if police escort had not been offered we would have requested it. Having them there is prudent to act as a deterrent against those who will think we have no right to be there and who may attempt to act on that belief.

So I guess those with differing ideas have no right to show up? Those people have just as much right to speak against what you believe as you do to speak for your beliefs.

And whether you think it or not, this is a statement against the government, for the government is the only one who "could" take your rights away and I believe that in the 1st post about this event Savage was talking about "deaf ears". I believe that he was talking about the lawmakers in this country.

Please don't misinterpret and think that I am against you, because I am not, and I agree with your views. But, having the police there to "deter" the opposition is a contradiction to why you say this "walk" is important. Stand up for your rights, but you cannot deny the rights of others while you do.

 

[SavageEagle]

The police are not there to deter opposition nor are we againts opposition showing up. What we are worried about are those who wish to cause trouble. That is all. If opposition wishes to show up or anyone have an opposing opinion they are welcome, but only if they are civil about it. I'm more than willing to have a serious civil debate with anyone. I will not respond to hostility though.

I'm not denying anyone any rights. I don't think you understand. I'm merely taking precautions against those who would try to turn things physical. Do you think it would do the cause good to see on the news a bunch of guys beating down some guy in the street and detaining him without the media telling the public how he sucker punched one of us unprovoked first?

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

I made that point earlier, but my post was mysteriously deleted. Would you PLEASE try to NOT get this thread locked to ? PLEASE .

I thought the entire premise for this "walk" was to "stand up for your rights." Asking government permission and having a police escort doesn't sound like standing up for rights to me. It's an educational event meant to show the sheep that every time they see a gun doesn't mean it's a BG carrying it and they have the right to if they so choose .

And as far as having police there in case a "crackhead" tries to snatch a gun away.....really? That never happens. Just check the myriad of OC threads on this very board for proof. Murphy CAN and DOES show up from time to time , just because it's not likely doesn't mean it won't happen .

Are firearms so dangerous that a group of citizens OC'ing them need a police escort to protect them from crackheads? Because that's the message that will be sent when people see a group of people walking around with long guns, followed closely by the police.

Thats why we'll have HANDOUTS to educate them .

 

[bowhunter_1978]

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I'm not denying anyone any rights. I don't think you understand. I'm merely taking precautions against those who would try to turn things physical. Do you think it would do the cause good to see on the news a bunch of guys beating down some guy in the street and detaining him without the media telling the public how he sucker punched one of us unprovoked first?

No, I understand completely. The thing is, how many people do you know, who would "sucker punch" a guy carrying a gun, whom is walking around with a big group of other guys and gals, carrying guns? Do you think it is going to help the cause that guns are "crime deterrents" by using the police to deter the opposition. Think about it, some guy standing on the corner, who has never handled a firearm, but was thinking of getting one, taking some training courses in order to protect himself, and his family, sees a group carrying firearms using the police to protect them.......while making a statement about guns rights and the right to protect themselves.
Contradiction!!

 

[USMC_0311]

I went to inform the city and IMPD of our intentions. The meeting went well. And yes, you missed some bacon!!

They urged us to get a permit, but stated that we do not need one. It was thought that if we get a permit they can slap us with all kinds of restrictions and set a precident for future events like this so we will not be getting one.

Why did they urge you to get a permit?

"it was thought that if" who thought this?

Feel free to PM me if you want. This just seems very vague and I would like to know exactly why they "urge" but yet "we" think not. Seriously I have asked before about the cost for a permit.

 

[shooter521]

Guys, I have asked that posts in this thread be limited to organizational issues surrounding the event, rather than debating its merits or lack thereof.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/542331-post405.html

Thank you.

 

[SavageEagle]

No, I understand completely. The thing is, how many people do you know, who would "sucker punch" a guy carrying a gun, whom is walking around with a big group of other guys and gals, carrying guns? Do you think it is going to help the cause that guns are "crime deterrents" by using the police to deter the opposition. Think about it, some guy standing on the corner, who has never handled a firearm, but was thinking of getting one, taking some training courses in order to protect himself, and his family, sees a group carrying firearms using the police to protect them.......while making a statement about guns rights and the right to protect themselves.
Contradiction!!

No it's not a contridiction. The Brady Campaign, HCAN (obamacar zombies), etc, are all playing dirty. Just because someone punches you in the mouth doesn't give you the right to shoot them. What it does do is gives some crazy Anti the fuel to their fire to say "Hey, look, they are violent! They just beat up that guy for no reason!" Don't think they'd do that? They're sending viri through the emails, spitting on people at town hall rallies, getting in people's faces, slandering people to the media....

Yea, I think our request to have officers present or in the area is a reasonable one. I'm sorry you don't think so. I understand your concern and it is noted, but I'm not going exclude the IMPD from this. The best I can do is have them in the area in case we need them. Maybe in plain clothes or something. Other than that....

 

[SavageEagle]

Why did they urge you to get a permit? They told me that it was to make sure that we didn't contridict with other events. I politely told the lady on the phone this afternoon after the meeting that we would not be filing for a permit, but still would keep them in the loop.

"it was thought that if" who thought this? Actually a few people. And it is a great point because a "Permit" is them permitting us to do something we have every right to do in the first place. It also means we have to follow whatever kooky rules they come up with. People thought mine were restrictive? I can see them saying no loaded guns, no flags, giving us a route to follow, etc. Like I said though, they are very receptive and are not being hostile in the least about this. They are being 1000% more understanding that I counted on which is amazing to me.

Feel free to PM me if you want. This just seems very vague and I would like to know exactly why they "urge" but yet "we" think not. Seriously I have asked before about the cost for a permit.

The cost monetarily is very little. The waiting period is nill. It's just the restrictions we fear they could place on us. That's why we're doing this the way we are so that we don't qualify for a permit. Everyone just has to follow the rules we set so people stay safe, and we don't break any laws.

 

[bowhunter_1978]

Guys, I have asked that posts in this thread be limited to organizational issues surrounding the event, rather than debating its merits or lack thereof.
https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/542331-post405.html

Thank you.

I will honor your request, as I had not seen it before.


It seems that there is no place to debate the merits or the lack of merits for this event. I will not waste my time starting a new thread for this purpose as they end up being locked anyway.

 

[SavageEagle]

Updated OP about next meeting.

 

[BB62]

Actually, they were considering having a couple officers with us, one ahead of us and one behind us. It's not about supervising us, it about protection in case any Anti's show up to cause problems. I'm sure you'd like to know there's an officer around if someone crackhead runs up and tries to take someone's rifle right?...

FYI - during the first OC walk in Ohio (in the Cincinnati neighborhood of Northside), there were quite a few LEO's around, though they were in cars, not on foot.

There were some issues with antis, who were threatened with arrest for pointing at (shooting at?) some of the walkers with their super-soakers.

Also, FYI, Northside is a "mixed" community - black, white, mid to lower on the socio-economic scale.

As the walks progressed, the police presence varied, depending on the location - and they were all across Ohio.

From what I have read of what you guys are doing, things look good. I agree with the "govt agents" comment, but Savage Eagle is right - as long as it doesn't look like the group is being escorted, the cops are good to have around, just in case.

 

[SavageEagle]

Bumping for a reminder that there is a meeting tomorrow evening at 6:30pm at White River State Park to discuss the Route. If you have suggestions but cannot make the meeting EMAIL me and we will discuss them then.

Apparently everyone's coming to the meeting or no one has any suggestions cause I've got no emails. If that's the case awesome. I appreciate flexibility.

I would appreciate that you work out the Statement of Intent to send to the media and what exactly is going to be in the info packet.

 

[Prometheus]

More than once I've seen the "Second Amendment rights" phrase used in this thread.

There is NO SUCH THING!

The Bill of Rights enumerates (spells out) our Rights. The government does not give Rights.

Anyway, I have a feeling any "media statements" must be thoroughly vetted prior to the walk. The rest of my thoughts I'll put in the debate thread now that I see it....

 

[SavageEagle]

Thoroughly vetted... Well, lets vett them. I need ideas. I'm good at coming up with ideas and going through with them... I'm not, however, a great speaker or person of words.

Don't forget people.... Today, 6:30pm, White RIver State Park downtown Indy, right across from the new hotel they're building.

 

[SavageEagle]

Bump reminder.

 

[SavageEagle]

Ok, a little bit of a change in plans here....

The meeting point will be released upon making sure it's ok to do so in the place we picked. The route was discussed and decided on. The route is about 3 miles max, no more. Figure the walk to last no more than 3-3 1/2 hours. I do have a backup route in mind if things change between then and now but it's always good to have a backup.

Again, the meeting point WILL BE ANNOUNCED but the route will not be.

Now the only thing needed to be planned is the signs and the info packet. The info packet needs to be decided on by next week to get them made up.

I appreciate everyone's faith in me to decide the route. I do, however, need help with the info packets.

 

[techres]

I do, however, need help with the info packets.

Is that gonna happen here or in another thread?

 

[SavageEagle]

Is that gonna happen here or in another thread?

I was going to say Here....

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...essage_and_talking_points_for_the_walk-9.html

But I think I'm going to open a new thread....

 

[SavageEagle]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo..._packets_statement_of_intent_for_oc_walk.html

Please help me with this thread!