Organizing an OC event in Indy! Stand up for your Rights!

[Glockster]

SE-I have been watching from a distance to see what direction this whole thing would take. I'm convinced that you are doing everything within your ability to do this right. You are to be congratulated--it's like herding cats, isn't it? I am now ready to fully support you and participate in the walk. You asked for suggestions on the message and here's mine: KISS! My recommendation is to focus on constitutionally guaranteed rights with a twist. Nearly everyone has heard of the 2A in the U.S. Constitution and the fact that certain factions in our society are attempting to confuse, obfuscate and make contoversial it's simple meaning. What most Hoosiers don't know is that the law of our land (the constitution of the State of Indiana) explicitly guarantees the RKBA for personal defense. I believe our local constitutional guarantees should be the focus of our message. I have pasted the language of the constitution below and also included the section on Peaceable Assembly which, coincidentally (maybe not?) is immediately followed by RKBA. Anyway, let me know how I can help.

Section 31. Right of assemblage and petition

Section 31. No law shall restrain any of the inhabitants of the State from assembling together in a peaceable manner, to consult for their common good; nor from instructing their representatives; nor from applying to the General Assembly for redress of grievances.

Section 32. Arms--Right to bear

Section 32. The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State.

How many Hoosiers do you think are aware of this?

 

[Glockster]

And regarding the issue of whether or not signs are allowed, try this constitutional guarantee on for size:

Section 9. Freedom of thought and speech

Section 9. No law shall be passed, restraining the free interchange of thought and opinion, or restricting the right to speak, write, or print, freely, on any subject whatever: but for the abuse of that right, every person shall be responsible.

 

[SavageEagle]

Welcome aboard my friend! Glad to have you! You make some good points, and I think Those would be some good points to make not only on a sign but in the Info Packets as well.

I would like to call your attention to this thread just for that reason....

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo..._packets_statement_of_intent_for_oc_walk.html

 

[Glockster]

Welcome aboard my friend! Glad to have you! You make some good points, and I think Those would be some good points to make not only on a sign but in the Info Packets as well.

I would like to call your attention to this thread just for that reason....

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo..._packets_statement_of_intent_for_oc_walk.html

So you've decided signs are OK?

 

[SavageEagle]

Only a few. Maybe 4 at the most. We don't want to look like a demonstration so the signs must be educational in nature.

 

[MACHINEGUN]

I commend you for what you are doing Ryan.. and I wish you the best of luck.

 

[SavageEagle]

Thanks man. I hope it makes a difference.

 

[darwin-t]

I'm new here but should be known to at least some people here. Put me down, I'll be there.

 

[ejscott]

wish i could taking the wife to florida for her b-day. will keep a eye out for future walks

 

[SavageEagle]

Thank you for bumping this. We officially have a Statement of Intent. I'll post it here...

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...ement_of_intent_for_oc_walk-3.html#post571912

 

[SavageEagle]

wish i could taking the wife to florida for her b-day. will keep a eye out for future walks

I assure you, there will be more.

 

[mrjarrell]

SE,
Since you're going to be doing this in Marion County it might help to leave your signs at home. It's now illegal to hold up signs within 50' of any intersection in the county. Not saying that the cops are going to arrest you, but it could well be the case, given the new law the council passed. Yeah, it was intended to keep panhandlers at bay, but the way it's written it can be applied to political speech, as well. Just a heads up.

 

[SavageEagle]

SE,
Since you're going to be doing this in Marion County it might help to leave your signs at home. It's now illegal to hold up signs within 50' of any intersection in the county. Not saying that the cops are going to arrest you, but it could well be the case, given the new law the council passed. Yeah, it was intended to keep panhandlers at bay, but the way it's written it can be applied to political speech, as well. Just a heads up.

Anyone got a link to the legislation? I'd like to look it over.

 

[mrjarrell]

Here's a link to the .pdf of the bill as passed. Here's a relevant sample for you.

Sec. 431-702. Prohibited activity in around roadways.

It shall be unlawful for a pedestrian to sit, stand or move within or upon a roadway, or a median
between two (2) roadways, or within the public right-of-way not exceeding fifty (50) feet from the traveled
portion of any intersection controlled by an automatic traffic signal or stop sign, for the purpose of or while
engaged in (by oral or written methods):

(1) Soliciting, or peddling, selling, advertising, donating, or distributing any product, property, or service,
including but not limited to tickets, handbills, newspapers, or other printed material, to or from an
occupant of a vehicle in the roadway; or,

(2) Conversation or discourse with an occupant of a vehicle in the roadway.

Much more in the .pdf

 

[Denny347]

Hmm, last I heard the Mayor has not signed it into law yet. Not sure when that will happen. As of right now it cannot be enforced.

 

[SavageEagle]

Here's a link to the .pdf of the bill as passed. Here's a relevant sample for you.
Much more in the .pdf

It doesn't say anything that's really relevant to the walk. The only thing that comes close would be...

Soliciting, or peddling, selling, advertising, donating, or distributing any product, property, or service,
including but not limited to tickets, handbills, newspapers, or other printed material, to or from an
occupant of a vehicle in the roadway; or,

So really, as long as we aren't handing out anything to anyone in their cars as they drive by or sitting at a stoplight/sign, we would be ok.

I'll read through more of it in a bit.

Even if the Mayor had signed it, it won't take effect before the Walk happens so again, we don't have anything to worry about.

 

[mrjarrell]

Hope it doesn't happen before the walk. As I read it, it would also affect your ability to hand out fliers, as well. If you're going to be on the Circle...well, shoot. That's all intersection.

 

[ATF Consumer]

From what I gather from that is as long as we don't pass printed material to a vehicle, we should be fine.
That bill was to address the panhandling.

 

[Denny347]

From what I gather from that is as long as we don't pass printed material to a vehicle, we should be fine.
That bill was to address the panhandling.

I'm pretty sure you are correct.

 

[BloodEclipse]

From what I gather from that is as long as we don't pass printed material to a vehicle, we should be fine.
That bill was to address the panhandling.

Exactly, we are not selling anything. What we have we are giving away for FREE!