OC mindset

[MikeDVB]

Repworthy. Unfortunately, this evil puppet system is denying my right to give rep. There's more than one way to advance and support the cause. Making up names for those who don't choose YOUR way doesn't help.

Well when you have nothing to refute their statements with, what are you going to do besides be silent? Obviously your only resort is making up names .

 

[IndyDave1776]

Other then type some stuff on an internet forum what have you done to advance 2A rights amidst a gun fearing populace? Are you out there getting escorted from zoos for the great good of 2nd Amendment freedom?

Just because someone wants to be polite to the concerns of others does not mean they will not stand up for rights or believe they deserve to be pushed around.
One can write their Representative and vote and give of their time and/or money to help support what they believe in.
Sometimes it is better to pick the right battle to wage rather then fighting every perceived slight.

My efforts may be less flamboyant than those of some others, but I am sure as Hell not going to argue that they are wrong, nor am I going to support acting like we are subversives spreading some kind of disease. You could just as easily apply the same logic to any number of interest groups who throw tantrums at every turn. You may notice that they are achieving their goals while we are not. The best we have accomplished for decades overall is to minimize the damage while groups in which members could not safely identify themselves as members of the group 50 years ago now have special rights not afforded the rest of us. Explain again please picking the 'right' battle.

 

[JetGirl]

that was all I heard the monkey say and then I saw the gun

And dang fast, wasn't it?!

Ok. After reading all these posts, I now have come to the conclusion that people who OC hate people who CC and vice versa.

Nah. I even actually like BunnyKid... a little. Sometimes.

 

[JoshuaW]

What you neglect to consider is that most criminals are not ready to make the jump to murder, and most also realize that if someone dies while they are committing their crime that they will be held responsible. If someone who intended to rob a gas station for a few hundred dollars is willing to walk in and murder someone the second they step in the door, then chances are they would have been willing to do so regardless of the OCer. Furthermore, why would they make the jump to murder or take the chance when they could go elsewhere and commit their crime with less resistance?

 

[iChokePeople]

What you neglect to consider is that most criminals are not ready to make the jump to murder, and most also realize that if someone dies while they are committing their crime that they will be held responsible. If someone who intended to rob a gas station for a few hundred dollars is willing to walk in and murder someone the second they step in the door, then chances are they would have been willing to do so regardless of the OCer. Furthermore, why would they make the jump to murder or take the chance when they could go elsewhere and commit their crime with less resistance?

WHO neglects to consider that? Some people give the OC'd gun a little more magic talisman power than others, but I think EVERYONE in these discussions has considered it, and most would stipulate that OC provides some unquantifiable deterrent effect.

 

[CX1]

My efforts may be less flamboyant than those of some others,

So could be you have done no more or no less to advance 2nd Amendment freedom then the people you suggest need some new name?

but I am sure as Hell not going to argue that they are wrong, nor am I going to support acting like we are subversives spreading some kind of disease.

No one has suggested that you should. But which is a more positive message to send a member of the non-gun public away with?

1. I asked that nice man to cover his gun because it was scaring my child and even though he politely explained that he didn't have to do so by law he was going to go ahead and cover it so I wouldn't need to worry. What a nice man. Glad to see a good person with a gun for a change.

2. I asked that man over there to cover his gun because it was scaring my child. He explained a bunch of law junk I didn't really understand and then just walked away. Those gun nuts are a bunch of paranoid freaks I tell ya.

You could just as easily apply the same logic to any number of interest groups who throw tantrums at every turn. You may notice that they are achieving their goals while we are not.

Might be because they don't try to insult one another when they have a common goal but actually try to work together in their own ways to accomplish the task?

The best we have accomplished for decades overall is to minimize the damage while groups in which members could not safely identify themselves as members of the group 50 years ago now have special rights not afforded the rest of us.

What new rights does any group have that go beyond rights already granted to white males in our society?


Explain again please picking the 'right' battle.

I believe I have

 

[hopper68]

Why do people accept as fact that a criminal is more likely to
1) Skip a house with an alarm system
2) Skip a house with a dog
but will not care if a potential victim is visibly armed. Not all criminals use guns. Want to bring a knife or club to a gun fight?

 

[MikeDVB]

Why do people accept as fact that a criminal is more likely to
1) Skip a house with an alarm system
2) Skip a house with a dog
but will not care if a potential victim is visibly armed. Not all criminals use guns. Want to bring a knife or club to a gun fight?

People pick and choose details that support their case while ignoring the rest. It's pretty common.

 

[Steelman]

Steelman is simply concealing his knowledge. This way, he will have the element of surprise when he actually says something intelligent. We all think he's an easy target because he has no valid points, but just you wait...

Come on Steelman, say something smart! Use a fact, or maybe a statistic!

We flaunt our knowledge openly. Maybe that intimidates you, but I'd rather have people know that I'm intelligent.

My. Whole. Involvement. In. This. Thread. Has. Been. An. Opinion. There. Are. No. Facts. Or. Statistics. To. Back. Up. Anyone's. Opinion. That's. Why. It. Is. Called. An. Opinion. And. Not. Fact.


I think the above may help you with comprehension. I believe it may be "your speed". Roadie, 1776 and MikeVD may take advantage as well.

Beyond that, I could copy/paste the first Google entry I find (not having a clue how it relates to the topic) and be on par with the rest of the MENSA crowd in this thread.

 

[iChokePeople]

Why do people accept as fact that a criminal is more likely to
1) Skip a house with an alarm system
2) Skip a house with a dog
but will not care if a potential victim is visibly armed. Not all criminals use guns. Want to bring a knife or club to a gun fight?

Who thinks that? I've never talked to anyone who gives lots of deterrent credit to alarms and dogs, but not guns. All three provide some level of deterrence that can't really be quantified.

 

[CPT Nervous]

My. Whole. Involvement. In. This. Thread. Has. Been. An. Opinion. There. Are. No. Facts. Or. Statistics. To. Back. Up. Anyone's. Opinion. That's. Why. It. Is. Called. An. Opinion. And. Not. Fact.


I think the above may help you with comprehension. I believe it may be "your speed". Roadie, 1776 and DaveVD may take advantage as well.

Beyond that, I could copy/paste the first Google entry I find (not having a clue how it relates to the topic) and be on par with the rest of the MENSA crowd in this thread.

Slow down there. I feel like I'm at an auction.

You've yet to make a valid point. That was my point. Your whole involvement in this thread has been a waste of time.

 

[Roadie]

My. Whole. Involvement. In. This. Thread. Has. Been. An. Opinion. There. Are. No. Facts. Or. Statistics. To. Back. Up. Anyone's. Opinion. That's. Why. It. Is. Called. An. Opinion. And. Not. Fact.


I think the above may help you with comprehension. I believe it may be "your speed". Roadie, 1776 and MikeVD may take advantage as well.

Beyond that, I could copy/paste the first Google entry I find (not having a clue how it relates to the topic) and be on par with the rest of the MENSA crowd in this thread.

So then by reading your posts, and your opinion, I could conclude that by your logic, veiled insults would be about as affective in expressing your opinion, as OCing is to express the Right to Carry?

Yes?

 

[CPT Nervous]

Steelman, I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Who thinks that? I've never talked to anyone who gives lots of deterrent credit to alarms and dogs, but not guns. All three provide some level of deterrence that can't really be quantified.

I have read entire books that turned on this premise. I quit buying anything pertaining to personal security that had cover graphics depicting serene family scenes for this reason. Probably for the better, these have not survived several moves in the intervening time.

 

[iChokePeople]

I have read entire books that turned on this premise. I quit buying anything pertaining to personal security that had cover graphics depicting serene family scenes for this reason. Probably for the better, these have not survived several moves in the intervening time.

I don't read much in this genre -- what books? I might give one or two a shot to try to understand what they're thinking.

 

[Steelman]

Slow down there. I feel like I'm at an auction.

You've yet to make a valid point. That was my point. Your whole involvement in this thread has been a waste of time.

Not that I have time for your grandiose notions that you're to show up after 8 or so pages and tie this up with a neat little bow....Somehow leaving me with a new perspective on the matter....but here goes....

***

My opinion of the OC activists is that they are going about things the wrong way. Most of what they do is bravado and posturing. Their inability to be flexible with the public is a detriment to the 2A community.

***


Please make a counterpoint............use statistics and graphs and formulas and calculations and kittens and statistics about kittens while calculating the number of graphs created by kittens from 1974-78.

Best of luck.

 

[mtgasten]

He could've untucked his shirt as a courtesy. End of story.

The taxpayers foot the bill. I have no idea how any Republican/Conservative/Libertarian can get behind this.

Of course he does not come out and say "I'm a hero". Read his posts, they are full of melodrama and perceived sacrifice for the greater good of the 2A community. He is doing this for "us".

The Hero of [STRIKE]Canton[/STRIKE] Evansville! [STRIKE]Jayne Cobb[/STRIKE] Titanium Frost!

Reality check, so are YOURS

 

[IndyDave1776]

No one has suggested that you should. But which is a more positive message to send a member of the non-gun public away with?

1. I asked that nice man to cover his gun because it was scaring my child and even though he politely explained that he didn't have to do so by law he was going to go ahead and cover it so I wouldn't need to worry. What a nice man. Glad to see a good person with a gun for a change.

2. I asked that man over there to cover his gun because it was scaring my child. He explained a bunch of law junk I didn't really understand and then just walked away. Those gun nuts are a bunch of paranoid freaks I tell ya.

If your parents applied this same 'logic' you would still be s**tting your pants.

Might be because they don't try to insult one another when they have a common goal but actually try to work together in their own ways to accomplish the task?

No, it is because they don't have people among their ranks, even those who are not overtly activist themselves, who attempt to drive everyone into being good little lap dogs. That is why they are succeeding and gun owners overall are not.

What new rights does any group have that go beyond rights already granted to white males in our society?

Study the language and application of 'hate crime' laws, perhaps with a detour through the implied 'right' to redefine language, and if it isn't obvious to you there is nothing any of us can do to help. Hint: If insults going one way are somewhere between socially unacceptable and criminal, but teenage hoodlums dousing a white boy with gasoline and igniting him is acceptable, there is a clear disparity.

 

[cbseniour]

The op fails to take into consideration the fact that most if not all criminals, thieves, hold up men robbers what ever you call them are cowards.
they are looking for an easy and safe score. If they recognize a challenge they will Get out of Dodge and look for a safer target.

 

[MikeDVB]

My opinion of the OC activists is that they are going about things the wrong way.

Ok, and that is fine... But would you say that everybody who OCs does so with the intent to be an "activist"? I do not OC for any purpose other than it's more comfortable and convenient than CC'ing.

Most of what they do is bravado and posturing.

Who is "they", everybody who OCs or just those who you feel are activists for exercising their rights?

Their inability to be flexible with the public is a detriment to the 2A community.

If you say so .

Please make a counterpoint............use statistics and graphs and formulas and calculations and kittens and statistics about kittens while calculating the number of graphs created by kittens from 1974-78.

Nobody needs statistics and graphs to refute idiocy and opinions based upon fear, ignorance, and inexperience.

Best of luck.

Best of luck to yourself as well, may your life teach you many lessons that you appear to be sorely missing. [My opinion, wee, I have one too!]