NWI INGO General Post - Part 8

[actaeon277]

Larry, your truck, with driver, passengers and cargo has a Gross Vehicle Weight of 3800 pounds. With a fully loaded trailer you have a Combined GVW of 7300 pounds.

Why are you looking at a winch with an 8000# capacity? Why not a 4000-to-5000# capacity instead?

My GVWR is listed as 4,400 lbs.
The places I looked, recommend 1.5 times the rating (minimum), which would be 6,600 lbs.
But, depending on the pull (sand, snow, incline) most places recommend 2 times, which would be 8,800 lbs.
So, I figure the 8,000 should be pretty good.
I'd rather over, than under.
Also, the rating of a winch will lesson as more of the line is would on the spool.
If I have ONE layer of line on the spool, my rating is 8,000.
If I have TWO layers of line on the spool, my rating is 7,280.
If I have THREE layers of line on the spool, my rating is 6,670.
If I have FOUR layers of line on the spool, my rating is 6,2300.

So you can see I lost 1/4 of the rating if the spool is full.
Couple that with a little snow or mud, maybe a small incline.....
I'd rather overrate.

I would have no concern with Larry using the winch to pull his own vehicle out of a ditch.

But if he was trying to pull another vehicle out of a ditch then my concern would be that he will pull his own vehicle into the ditch because it is 1) lightweight, and 2) the other vehicle, even if light, is stuck below his and gravity is a cruel master.

If pulling someone else out, he will have to secure his vehicle to a tree, post, etc with a strap on one end of his vehicle, while using the winch on the other end; that is the common way to anchor a vehicle for winching.

Now my question is, can an 8000# winch literally pull apart a lightweight uni-body vehicle if you strap it to an immovable object on one side and a stuck object on the other side?

And that is a concern of mine.
But I'm not looking on saving big trucks like CTC's, stuck in mud, at the bottom of a hill.
Chances are, CTC has a better winch.

I don't think the outcome would be good for his vehicle. In a situation that you described, something would have to give, depending how stuck the other vehicle was. If it were me, I'd give it a shot with a decent recover sling and let the chips fall where they may. Other than that, it's what a wrecker is for.

Yes.
I can also leverage, using a pulley. One pulley will half my pull speed, but it will halve the power required. The winch and vehicle will do half the work. It will just take me twice as long.
Once again, that would be to keep me on the safe side.
Chances are, I'm yanking a small car from the side of the road.

Dunno?





I have the same thoughts you do. Call a wrecker.

But what I described is pretty much the normal technique. Strap your vehicle to an immovable object (tree) and then use the winch to pull the other guy out.

Of course, if he wants the winch to pull HIMSELF out, then that is a whole different story and the stress on his vehicle is much less.



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[actaeon277]

If your stuck you probably want to winch yourself out backward, not frontward into whatever has already stopped you. With the unitbody there is probably no practical way to structurally mount a winch to the front. You can't count on a tree or other secure point being inline with the direction you want to pull yourself out. You would need to get some sort of a dedicated winch anchor to insure that you could get a pull in the proper direction. Pull pal is the most popular winch anchor with off roaders

A portable slide mount in to a receiver hitch is the way to go. You would want to run permanent cables from your battery to the rear with a Anderson type connector. I recommend something like 0/2 or 0/4. You must run off of a top terminal battery, a winch current draw will melt side terminals. Now have a 2nd battery in the rear again with top terminal battery. Have a lead to go from that battery to your cable routed under the vehicle. Run another cable hard mounted from the winch to the 2nd battery. Use Anderson connectors for both of these connections. Rig up a device to keep your engine at enough of a RPM to run the alternator at its max capacity. 2500rpm on the engine should be fine. Winches are rated at the first wrap, their strength declines with each wrap as the spool gets bigger. There is nothing wrong with using a 8K winch. The current draw isn't that great unless it is pulling very hard. There will be less stress on the winch and it will run cooler than using a 6000 pound winch. I didn't click on the portable winch link, but typically it is a standard winch that is bolted to the receiver hitch adapter. You can buy the adapter and mount any winch too it. The advantage of a smaller winch is lighter and cheaper. Synthetic winch line is the way to go. It adds expense but is much safer and lighter

If you are stuck in a ditch and trying to pull yourself back onto the road, good luck trying to get it out without causing an accident from your line crossing the road

Thanks for the advice. It jives with a lot I have found while researching.
Warn sells a size 2 cable to go to the rear, with connectors.
I am thinking about the second battery, I need to find a place to put it.
The winch would be mounted to my rear trailer hitch. I wanted the option of both, but my front is a bit low, and I'd have trouble bouncing the winch off the street bumps. Maybe I could have a power cable there, just in case.

One of my problems, my rear hitch is 1-1/4". My front hitch is 2".
Going from back to front becomes problematic. Fortunately, I have found an adapter so I can take the winch on a 1-1/4 plate, and bring it to the front 2" with the adapter.


EVERYTHING I see agrees on the synthetic line. So I would spare the money. And by a cover for the winch, to keep the UV rays from affecting the line.

I'm not sure how to rig the motor to idle high.
Shouldn't it automatically rev higher when the electrical draw picks up?

 

[melensdad]

My GVWR is listed as 4,400 lbs...

I pulled up a Ford Escape brochure on the interwebs. Might be I misundertood the information, or copied it down wrong. But I think it said 7300# Combined GVW including a 3500# trailer. Subtracting 3500 from 7300 = 3800# so the vehicle weight should be 3800#???

 

[actaeon277]

I'm leaning towards this guy.
Warn Industries - Jeep, Truck & SUV Winches: VR8000-s

Amazon.com: Warn 87835 VR8000-s Winch with Synthetic Rope: Automotive


Mounted to this guy.
Amazon.com: 1-1/4" Receiver KFI Winch Mount: Automotive

But I'd need to either bolt, or have someone weld handles to the side, for lifting, and protection of the winch.


And the power cables (rear)
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00029XFG0...UTF8&colid=35BDSB2APUX4&coliid=I26ACG014Y3FD5

 

[actaeon277]

I pulled up a Ford Escape brochure on the interwebs. Might be I misundertood the information, or copied it down wrong. But I think it said 7300# Combined GVW including a 3500# trailer. Subtracting 3500 from 7300 = 3800# so the vehicle weight should be 3800#???

The newer ones might be lighter.
Mine is a 2009.
I think it was the data plate on door said 4,400.
Either way, estimating 4,400 is safer than 3,800 if I'm wrong.

 

[actaeon277]

The newer ones might be lighter.
Mine is a 2009.
I think it was the data plate on door said 4,400.
Either way, estimating 4,400 is safer than 3,800 if I'm wrong.

And I didn't look at combined.
I went off GWVR

 

[actaeon277]

I'd have one or two of these.
Warn 88899 Snatch Block - 20000 lb. Load Capacity : Amazon.com : Automotive

One of these
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00029XEES...UTF8&colid=35BDSB2APUX4&coliid=I2ETCOX3KNBD2I

And some of these

 

[jedi]

wth did ingo become the car shop?

 

[bigretic]

Hmmm . . .

mind is spinning . . .

I can see the future . . .

BBQ'd Sushi . . .

with a side of bacon!​

bacon wrapped unagi... mmmm... maybe...

 

[actaeon277]

wth did ingo become the car shop?

Those are my legos. Don't judge me.

 

[Butch627]

That's a good winch for what your doing. I don't see any need to weld handles on it, they take up a lot of room and I don't see any practical benefit. I built one of those plates for one of my winches and have never felt a need for a handle. I would recommend you change out your trailer hitch for the highest rated hitch you can find with a 2 inch receiver. The hitch may have a extra bolt or 2 to affix to your vehicle, and the 1 1/4 inch hollow tube can easily bend or twist when winching. Trailer hitches are surprisingly cheap on Ebay with included shipping.

I would make my own cables instead of those from Warn. You will gain power and run time with thicker cable. You can buy it at any local welding shop, and its probably better quality than that Warn. Your going to want better clamps for your battery than you will find at the local parts stores, Lots of places have big lead clamps used on HD trucks, NAPA probably has them. You can buy a tool that attaches to your steering wheel and pushes on your gas pedal. It works on the same concept as a caulking gun. Mechanics use them, and they are sold by offroading places for winching use

 

[gunbunnies]

Actaeon's prepper inner self is coming out on the forum based on the great weather we have been having...

I was looking at some updates myself but I still have to get this 4 wheel drive problem fixed yet... I'm thinking my issue is a ball bearing on the drivers side but I could be wrong.... I do work on computers and not cars or trucks soo....

 

[actaeon277]

That's a good winch for what your doing. I don't see any need to weld handles on it, they take up a lot of room and I don't see any practical benefit. I built one of those plates for one of my winches and have never felt a need for a handle. I would recommend you change out your trailer hitch for the highest rated hitch you can find with a 2 inch receiver. The hitch may have a extra bolt or 2 to affix to your vehicle, and the 1 1/4 inch hollow tube can easily bend or twist when winching. Trailer hitches are surprisingly cheap on Ebay with included shipping

Small problem of the hitch goes through my bumper. There is a cutout.
I'd have to widen the cut on the bumper.
What about welding stock to the tube?

 

[actaeon277]

Actaeon's prepper inner self is coming out on the forum based on the great weather we have been having...

I was looking at some updates myself but I still have to get this 4 wheel drive problem fixed yet... I'm thinking my issue is a ball bearing on the drivers side but I could be wrong.... I do work on computers and not cars or trucks soo....

I'm an old boy scout.
Be Prepared.

But yanking on a tow cable can be a problem.
A winch gives me better control.

And, a tow cable doesn't get me back on the road. It only helps me get someone else on the road.

 

[gunbunnies]

Now I'll just leave this here.....

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https://www.buyperfectbacon.com/

 

[Bill B]

I have been studying manufacturers recommendations, and videos.
Have woked out like 5 or so possibilities.

I used to be a recovery specialist in the Army. What, exactly, do you see yourself needing the winch for? I mean obviously you're not trekking across the outback in your suv. Are you just looking to help people out of the ditch or what?
quite often people want a winch when they would be better served with a kinetic energy recovery rope

 

[actaeon277]

I used to be a recovery specialist in the Army. What, exactly, do you see yourself needing the winch for? I mean obviously you're not trekking across the outback in your suv. Are you just looking to help people out of the ditch or what?
quite often people want a winch when they would be better served with a kinetic energy recovery rope

A recovery strap may help me get someone else on the road, but will it get me on the road?

And I like the ability to control it from the side (safely). Instead of a tow rope, where I'm trying to look out back to see my progress.

 

[chef larry]

ok, enough of the bbq, let's switch to sushi. Dragon Bowl in munster is my current fav in the region. used to drive out to tinley for g-in, but they sold the place. I heard Fuji on 6 in portage has gone down hill, haven't been out there in a while, so don't know, never thought it was that great though. house of kobe is gross. tried the one in valpo by Indiana furniture and about barfed. Swear it was canned tuna. Anybody else got a spot?
and if anyone posts bk oska, that's immediate ignor list qualification. Yack...

Need to try the sushi bar at BC Osakas in Merrillville on RT30 and Colorado, across from Sam's Club.

 

[actaeon277]

I can't believe I slept though a ceremony I was supposed to be at yesterday. Another Eagle Scout Award presentation.
Ugh.

 

[darkkevin]

smokey's basement BBQ just opened in CP a week or so ago, haven't been yet, so no reviews, just throwing it out there. it's like 220 s main st (the old faustino's pizza, right next to the jail)