Mueller report delivered

[Ingomike]

This was interesting...



The establishment media is being roasted from the Right AND from the Left as the Russiagate conspiracy -- as a criminal conspiracy/impeachment vehicle -- has collapsed. Leftist author and former Rolling Stonepolitical writer Matt Taibbi is well known for roasting right-wingers with overwrought personal attacks. But he's drawing notice -- even from Brian Stelter today on Reliable Sources -- for roasting the media under this headline:

It's official: Russiagate is this generation's WMD.

The Iraq war faceplant damaged the reputation of the press. Russiagate just destroyed it
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Taibbi began with a dramatic announcement: "Nobody wants to hear this, but news that Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller is headed home without issuing new charges is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media."


That can be argued both ways -- their reputation has been tainted for a long time, and yet, they are the "establishment media" right now. Taibbi mocked the Mueller worship in the media and entertainment elites:

The Special Prosecutor literally became a religious figure during the last few years, with votive candles sold in his image and Saturday Night Live cast members singing “All I Want for Christmas is You” to him featuring the rhymey line: “Mueller please come through, because the only option is a coup.”



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Nothing Trump is accused of from now on by the press will be believed by huge chunks of the population, a group that (perhaps thanks to this story) is now larger than his original base. As Baker notes, a full 50.3% of respondents in a poll conducted this month said they agree with Trump the Mueller probe is a “witch hunt.”

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/n...aibbi-russiagate-death-blow-medias-reputation[/COLOR]

 

[bwframe]

So, what will we do about an administration that uses it's executive power to deter an opposing incoming administration?

 

[printcraft]

Unfortunately for the witches, it appears Mueller has found their coven.

[video=youtube;hmWP99NPN9g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmWP99NPN9g[/video]

 

[Leadeye]

I don't care for a lot of the things President Trump does, but I think that's part of his personal nature. To his credit he's like the pig, if you want to wrestle with the pig you are going to get filthy, and the pig likes it.

Big media decided to get in the pen with him and and has come out worse for the experience.

 

[2A_Tom]

The fact that Mueller didn't indict any Democrats for the true collusion and deception that was the FISA court scandal and DOJ attempted coup, means that yes, Mueller is still a very bad guy. Since his investigation could have went anywhere the evidence lead, you'd have thought it would have led right to the culprits of the fake dossier, the fake Hillary investigation, etc ... but it didn't, so he's scum.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to mmpsteve again.

I might have missed it. Can someone direct me to the post where K14, who always said he will wait for and abide by the Mueller report ... reiterates that he will abide by the Mueller report?

Originally Posted by Kutnupe14
So, what's the consensus now? Is Mueller still a bad guy, or did he and he (as previously said) angry Democrat investigators conduct an honorable investigation?

This is a as expected.

 

[Libertarian01]

I don't believe the investigation was a witch hunt. There being very suspicious activity near the top warranted, to a degree, some level of investigation.

Overly paranoid person calls 911 to report something wrong at the neighbors down the street. Police are well within their authority to investigate, even if nothing happened.

However, if the 911 caller is a known paranoid then that shifts things a bit. My concern is upon what, exactly, the need for the investigation was founded. If it was based upon information found in the Steele dossier, or a FISA wire tap, or some other extremely suspect information, then it is the process that needs review and not the investigator (in this case Mr. Mueller.)

My only significant problem with the Mueller report (so far) is the mention of the obstruction idea. That was NOT in his scope from Mr. Rosenstein. Link: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html

Upon further reading I must retract my "significant problem" with Mr. Mueller as he WAS acting within the scope of the law. Under 28 S CFR 600.4(a) he was required to investigate Obstruction, along with perjury, intimidation of witnesses and other things. Link: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.4

So now I must conclude that Mr. Mueller stayed well within the reservation.

Regards,

Doug

 

[churchmouse]

I don't believe the investigation was a witch hunt. There being very suspicious activity near the top warranted, to a degree, some level of investigation.

Overly paranoid person calls 911 to report something wrong at the neighbors down the street. Police are well within their authority to investigate, even if nothing happened.

However, if the 911 caller is a known paranoid then that shifts things a bit. My concern is upon what, exactly, the need for the investigation was founded. If it was based upon information found in the Steele dossier, or a FISA wire tap, or some other extremely suspect information, then it is the process that needs review and not the investigator (in this case Mr. Mueller.)

My only significant problem with the Mueller report (so far) is the mention of the obstruction idea. That was NOT in his scope from Mr. Rosenstein. Link: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html

Upon further reading I must retract my "significant problem" with Mr. Mueller as he WAS acting within the scope of the law. Under 28 S CFR 600.4(a) he was required to investigate Obstruction, along with perjury, intimidation of witnesses and other things. Link: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/600.4

So now I must conclude that Mr. Mueller stayed well within the reservation.

Regards,

Doug

But again......what and why. What put them on this track. W will never know past the obvious. They wanted an investigation. They needed it.

 

[jamil]

I've been watching the media two step this morning. They aren't letting go. They're still talking impeachment. After waiting two years for Mueller to deliver the goods they are insisting that he was not exonerated and that the bar for impeachment is much lower than it is for prosecution. They are also now betting heavily on the Southern District of New York and their investigation. The media wants what it wants and will not be denied.

They can’t let the cash cow go. That’s part of it. But these people really believe this ****.

They’re right that the bar is lower for impeachment. If they had both the house and a supermajority in the Senate, they could impeach the president for just about any reason they want. But if they did that, whatever the political capital they gained from delusional people they’d lose twice as much from the sane people. It would be an outrage to the average person.

 

[Alamo]

The fact that Mueller didn't indict any Democrats for the true collusion and deception that was the FISA court scandal and DOJ attempted coup, means that yes, Mueller is still a very bad guy. Since his investigation could have went anywhere the evidence lead, you'd have thought it would have led right to the culprits of the fake dossier, the fake Hillary investigation, etc ... but it didn't, so he's scum.

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This. The dossier was a phony pice of opposition propaganda, whose existence and content were leaked to the press to provide news stories that were used as allegedly independent sources, and the political unmaskings, to convince the FISA court to authorize warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. The court was not told of the provenance of the dossier and the news articles. This is the equivalent of illegal wiretaps, planting dope, and swearing to imaginary informants to launch a swat raid because you just know they’re dopers...


And the charade continued until the criminal investigation could be initiated. Investigating THIS nonsense as an ancillary crime uncovered in the course of investigation was a lot more central than unrelated lobbying violations from years before.

So no, Mueller and his team were not the good guys, it’s just that there was so little “there” there even they could not spin up a ham sandwich.

 

[Alamo]

My God, When I find myself on the same side as Piers Morgan, I have to look around for a minute, but by God, when he’s right he’s right:

PIERS MORGAN: The Russia collusion hoax was a disgraceful fake news witch-hunt that shames all of Trump’s deranged enemies in the media, the FBI and Hollywood and has probably ensured their worst nightmare - his re-election

 

[2A_Tom]

I only saw one error in that article. He stated that the FBI takes an oath to the President. Semantics, they take an oath to uphold the Constitution which makes the President their Executive and they SHOULD be loyal to the people that put him in office and support him.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

My God, When I find myself on the same side as Piers Morgan, I have to look around for a minute, but by God, when he’s right he’s right:

PIERS MORGAN: The Russia collusion hoax was a disgraceful fake news witch-hunt that shames all of Trump’s deranged enemies in the media, the FBI and Hollywood and has probably ensured their worst nightmare - his re-election

He's been surprisingly "supportive" (that may be too strong of a word) of Trump recently. Or if not supportive of, then at least calling out some of the wackiness directed at him.

 

[GIJEW]

If history teaches us nothing else, it should teach us that appeasement never prevents war - it merely leads to more demands until those demands themselves become intolerable. I can't think of any time after the turn of the 19th century where delaying the onset improved the tactical situation

As a jew, would you have Israel give up half its territory and most of its seacoast to its enemies just because those enemies refuse to get along? If not, why would you advocate it for the US? The prescient part of Lincoln's quote is that the US will become either all one thing or all the other. Do not make the mistake of seeing this flirtation with socialism as anything other than existential

About your analogy, Israel's enemies have an agenda of genocide, not just refusing to get along. Your point about appeasement is well taken though. My train of thought was that since the states are soveriegn entities and the majority of the people living in places like CA or NY seem to want socialism, open borders, etc, that it might be better to let the likes of CA figuratively "slip into the sea" rather than have a fight to the death over what type of country we're going to have. That's premised on the idea that the USA is legally more like a pontoon bridge than boat with a single hull, and that it's possible to separate and go our own ways.

I have no illusions that the socialist/communist agenda of the left is an existential threat to the character of the country and that peaceful coexistence can only be temporary at best. Given that, I posed the question of whether separation would be better than civil war.

 

[BugI02]

About your analogy, Israel's enemies have an agenda of genocide, not just refusing to get along. Your point about appeasement is well taken though. My train of thought was that since the states are soveriegn entities and the majority of the people living in places like CA or NY seem to want socialism, open borders, etc, that it might be better to let the likes of CA figuratively "slip into the sea" rather than have a fight to the death over what type of country we're going to have. That's premised on the idea that the USA is legally more like a pontoon bridge than boat with a single hull, and that it's possible to separate and go our own ways.

I have no illusions that the socialist/communist agenda of the left is an existential threat to the character of the country and that peaceful coexistence can only be temporary at best. Given that, I posed the question of whether separation would be better than civil war.

Allow me to Jettasize your response

"So you're saying since the socialists don't want to kill us (yet) then it would be OK to appease them?"

I realize that I am drastically understating the character of the threat faced by Israel in the way I made the analogy. I hope you are cognizant that there are far more 'barbarians at the gates' and whether CW2 or secession, we would not have the space (temporally and physically) to solve our own problems that we had during CW1. Any weakness would be exploited. I don't see either option as desirable, but one is a more permanent solution. This is, however, a fraught subject best not elaborated upon

 

[actaeon277]

So you know some top secret(*) submariner trick for holding your breath for six years until the end of Trump's second term?



(*) one ping only for Yes

[video=youtube;7O398Ubx-Gs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O398Ubx-Gs[/video]

 

[actaeon277]

My God, When I find myself on the same side as Piers Morgan, I have to look around for a minute, but by God, when he’s right he’s right:

PIERS MORGAN: The Russia collusion hoax was a disgraceful fake news witch-hunt that shames all of Trump’s deranged enemies in the media, the FBI and Hollywood and has probably ensured their worst nightmare - his re-election

Maybe he wants to come back to the US.

 

[Phase2]

Apologies to President Trump - Sharyl Attkisson

Sharyl does an excellent job summarizing the wide swath of those who owe President Trump and the nation apologies. Unfortunately, I expect almost none of them to man up.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Apologies to President Trump - Sharyl Attkisson

Sharyl does an excellent job summarizing the wide swath of those who owe President Trump and the nation apologies. Unfortunately, I expect almost none of them to man up.

Hell no they won't. Rest assured they're already busily making up the next "manufactured wrongdoing". The Mueller investigation and now the Avenatti brouhaha just confirmed what I already knew - that the left, and Democrats in particular are nothing but a den of thieves, liars and scoundrels.

 

[2A_Tom]

My God, When I find myself on the same side as Piers Morgan, I have to look around for a minute, but by God, when he’s right he’s right:

PIERS MORGAN: The Russia collusion hoax was a disgraceful fake news witch-hunt that shames all of Trump’s deranged enemies in the media, the FBI and Hollywood and has probably ensured their worst nightmare - his re-election

Maybe he wants to come back to the US.

Miers has been Not Anti Trump since the election.

 

[mmpsteve]

Long but worth the read. The Media now has to deal with the fallout of years passing off unsubstantiated rumor as fact. Nothing they say now will be believed by lots of folks.
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

Excellent article. I feel I should read more of this author's work. Thanks.

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