Health Question

[chipbennett]

That's amazing, sir! I hope your health continues strong, and that no cancerous cells or inflammation result.

That diet appears to be highly anti-inflammatory (unless it includes ingestion of a bunch of undisclosed seed oils and highly processed starches and sugars), and there is no evidence that such a diet causes cancer.

 

[chipbennett]

There's a lot of info out there that this isn't really correct. People who don't eat meat often have protein deficiencies and the plant based proteins rarely bridge the gap sufficiently. Look at our teeth and it'll tell you what God designed us to eat.

Also, it's recently come to light that all that "science" for the last few decades that talked about how bad red meat is for us humans is nothing but Left wing propaganda. We were designed for a balanced diet of meat, fish, veggies, fruits, legumes, nuts and such, not eating just one side or the other. A plant based diet is no more correct than the carnivore diet.

I can all but guarantee that all such studies:

a) are purely epidemiological, which can do nothing more than suggest a relationship (correlation) and cannot establish that relationship as causal
b) always conflate "red meat" and "processed meats"

 

[chipbennett]

BLT sammich > LT sammich. Change my mind.

I'll have the BLT sammich, hold the LT and sammich.

 

[chipbennett]

I've heard a doctor say (in the spirit of Keto) to "hold the toast" in order to be healthier...so there's all kinds of crazy out there

What's crazy about eating less bread?

 

[wtburnette]

I can all but guarantee that all such studies:

a) are purely epidemiological, which can do nothing more than suggest a relationship (correlation) and cannot establish that relationship as causal
b) always conflate "red meat" and "processed meats"

Don't know and don't care. All I know is that we've been told over and over how red meat is bad for us and it's all lies. Like anything, too much is bad for us, but that goes for everything, not just red meat in particular.

 

[ditcherman]

I wish I could break my desire for the processed sugars and foods in general, eat cleaner. I don’t eat a whole lot of meat compared to some I’m sure, but I’m sure not going to eat hardly any vegetables either, unless it’s corn, which has basically no redeemable value whatsoever. And I raise it!

The processed sugars are like nicotine.

 

[wtburnette]

What's crazy about eating less bread?

Yep, my understanding is that carbs are treated the same in the body as sugar and therefore less bread is good. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this is also a lie...

 

[chipbennett]

Good questions! It's actually BECAUSE of these same things that I learned 1) keep animals and unwashed human hands the hell away from your vegetables and 2) that we are omnivores, but primate omnivores (primates and omnivores in general rarely eat meat, yet we eat it daily, now, and have quite a bit to show for it, since we're not made to do that).

Our digestive system is nothing at all like the primate digestive system.

But, do, please, wash your hands!

 

[ditcherman]

Don't know and don't care. All I know is that we've been told over and over how red meat is bad for us and it's all lies. Like anything, too much is bad for us, but that goes for everything, not just red meat in particular.

I think what he’s trying topoint out is that the “red meat” they’ve told us about has been mixed with overproccesed stuff in the studies, to get their studies to come out the way they want them to.

 

[chipbennett]

Nobody is advocating a "meat only" diet. The point is, we are made to eat it.

There's nothing wrong with a meat-only diet. If one were forced to choose, a meat-only diet would be in every way superior to a vegetable-only diet (much less, the modern "vegan" diet that is often full of highly processed starches/grains, rather than non-starchy vegetables).

 

[wtburnette]

I think what he’s trying topoint out is that the “red meat” they’ve told us about has been mixed with overproccesed stuff in the studies, to get their studies to come out the way they want them to.

I get that. My comment is that regardless of how they got their outcome, it was BS. I don't need to know nor do I worry about the mechanics involved...

 

[chipbennett]

Yup, why can't the insulin enter the cell receptors? It's the fats, the lipids that block them, not sugars that make them too sticky . Get that fat outta your veins first, then you'll see the difference.

It's not that the insulin can't access the cell receptors; rather, it's that the cells are already overstuffed with glucose. The serum triglycerides are an effect, not a cause, if insulin resistance.

 

[chipbennett]

If you were actually learning anything, you'd be posting about the main premise of this gun forum.

Instead you come on to our forum to promote your meatless monday sort of agenda. One that obviously goes over rather poorly here, as you knew when you started this.

I often do meatless Sundays (and Tuesdays and Thursdays) - but only because those are routine fasting days on which I don't eat anything.

 

[chipbennett]

Don't know and don't care. All I know is that we've been told over and over how red meat is bad for us and it's all lies. Like anything, too much is bad for us, but that goes for everything, not just red meat in particular.

Yes, exactly. They are "studies" designed to produce a predetermined, desired end result.

 

[chipbennett]

Yep, my understanding is that carbs are treated the same in the body as sugar and therefore less bread is good. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that this is also a lie...

Grains are starches. Starches are simply long chains of connected sugars. The body breaks down the long chains into their constituent sugars. So: yes.

 

[wtburnette]

Grains are starches. Starches are simply long chains of connected sugars. The body breaks down the long chains into their constituent sugars. So: yes.

Drat. Now I'm sad...

 

[chipbennett]

Drat. Now I'm sad...

This is why eating "multigrain" or "whole grain" largely makes no difference whatsoever, if those grains are processed.

As much as possible, I focus on eating whole foods - mostly meat, but also a large variety of vegetables. I also don't consider grain to be a vegetable. (Perhaps the biggest issue with the Standard American Diet is that the top two "vegetables" by consumption are potatoes and corn - and those, almost entirely in processed forms.)

 

[wtburnette]

I've been trying to eat more salads as a side, or as a meal if I have meat to dice up and toss in. I don't use iceberg lettuce, but usually eat either just baby spinach or a mix of that and field greens. Top with diced peppers and carrots and cheese and try to be sparing with the dressing. I need to do that more than just once or twice a week. I also need to do that as a side with pasta dishes instead of garlic bread, which is my norm.

 

[kickbacked]

ya’ll are getting trolled. Op said this in their intro thread, “But some things I prefer to DO rather than talk about. Like guns, hunting, fishing, and sports I prefer to do, and listen from others who are more experienced, but I don't really have a passion for talking about them.” They have zero interest in discussing the main topic of this forum. Op doesn’t want a conversation about healthy eating, every comment is backhanded. This entire thread reads like a Jehovah Witness interaction.

 

[bobzilla]

ya’ll are getting trolled. Op said this in their intro thread, “But some things I prefer to DO rather than talk about. Like guns, hunting, fishing, and sports I prefer to do, and listen from others who are more experienced, but I don't really have a passion for talking about them.” They have zero interest in discussing the main topic of this forum. Op doesn’t want a conversation about healthy eating, every comment is backhanded. This entire thread reads like a Jehovah Witness interaction.

That's the feeling I got from the beginning. Trolling.