Hamilton County Nazis?

[jamil]

Absolutely fair…too on the nose, perhaps, indeed.

Now, who to believe?

On the one hand…it’s the internet. Yeah.

On the other hand…it’s people who unironically quote Hitler on the front page of their newsletter…

…I mean, I’m not going to get in their van willingly, if they ask me to.

Okay. So now that the only evidence of "White Supremacy" you presented has been debunked, there's no story here. Posting a Hitler quote does not mean you agree with the quote. Please post more evidence that you dig up. I don't expect you to vet it though. This is INGO. But that tends to work itself out anyway.

 

[jamil]

I agree that quoting someone is not the same as agreeing with someone.

However, in this case, this organization quoted Hitler because they agree with Hitler on the point he was making.

Thats also the source of the association…they didn’t have to bring Hitler into it at all, but they did. If you don’t want to be associated with Hitler, you probably shouldn’t lead a conversation with “we think Hitler was right about this”.

This is a group that wants to remove books from public school libraries in a state that allows unstructured homeschooling. This isn’t about what their kids see…they already have the option of total control over their own child’s curriculum...this is about limiting what other people’s children can see.

So to me, this group (without a hint of irony or context) choosing a quote from Hitler about controlling the education of children is as much about what they want to accomplish as it about what they claim they want to avoid.

I think that the reason you think they agree with the quote is because you're projecting your own world view. If YOU quoted Hitler in that manner, YOU would be agreeing with him. Since you don't agree with him, you don't quote him.

What if they quoted Mao? That's a pretty common thing for these MAGA groups to do too. Do they agree with Mao? Or are they trying to say that this is the policies of the progressives. I've seen quotes used that way a lot. Hitler was advocating grooming children. This group is obviously against that. But it doesn't ring with you, because your worldview does not understand the sentiment.

 

[jamil]

Maybe…but without context it looks like a mission statement.

From Hitler.

You've expressed a failure to understand the whole "grooming" issue altogether. You don't get it. This group is obviously anti-grooming. Obviously against the state having any control over their children. If you can't see that much, you will never understand the context no matter if they explained it to you themselves. And since you already believe they're Nazis, you wouldn't take their word for it anyway.

 

[jamil]

@LeftyGunner OK, the more I have thought about these statements, the more I believe you are trolling.

So unless you can provide proof that this group indeed supports Hitler's ideals and wasnt just inarticulate, knock it off.

If not you can join you cohort xmil. Official warning.

You've been pretty tame and reasonable in the past, but you are getting danger close to the ditches with this one. Show proof or knock it off.

Idunno. I don't think he's trolling. Like I've said in the past several posts, I don't believe someone from a left worldview is capable of understanding the context in which a parent's advocacy group might quote Hitler.

 

[jamil]

From their news letter, 'change and parent control over their child's education.'
I see the AH quote as a warning the kids are being groomed in public school.
Is this evidence the government is filtering Hitler ideals through the school system with it's mandates? Probably not, but I can see the correlation and why someone may want to deflect this on to the group that called it out.
Thank you for posting this. It's more evidence the kids are being groomed in public schools and links the groomers ideals to, you know the thing, that guy.

Exactly. Hitler's quote was about the government controlling what children learn. That concept would be abhorrent to a group who obviously believes parents have the exclusive right to that. No way they are advocating for that.

 

[littletommy]

Oh yeah, one of Jamils earlier posts reminded me: when it comes to listening to a self proclaimed lefty, the moment the word “MAGA” comes out of their mouth, I’m done giving you the benefit of the doubt, and I don’t give two ****s what your opinions are. I’m so sick of these commies using the phrase Make America Great Again as a derogatory term. **** all the way off with that trash.

 

[BigRed]

Oh yeah, one of Jamils earlier posts reminded me: when it comes to listening to a self proclaimed lefty, the moment the word “MAGA” comes out of their mouth, I’m done giving you the benefit of the doubt, and I don’t give two ****s what your opinions are. I’m so sick of these commies using the phrase Make America Great Again as a derogatory term. **** all the way off with that trash.

Commies suck.

 

[littletommy]

Commies suck.

Every. Single. One of them.

 

[Sigblitz]

What is it with MAGA and white supremacist talking points? Do you want people to associate you with the Nazis?

I'll just say I disagree with your opinion and already posted my opinion. Thanks for bringing it up. I would like to fact check the tweet, and they deny publishing it. Their explanation for the quote seems reasonable, based on the content of the news letter.

 

[buckwacker]

Idunno. I don't think he's trolling. Like I've said in the past several posts, I don't believe someone from a left worldview is capable of understanding the context in which a parent's advocacy group might quote Hitler.

I was going to post something similar but you beat me to it. LG seems like a sharper than average guy, not an ignorant, bomb throwing mouth breather like many on the left seem to be. It's why I can't understand how he doesn't see that the people he gets his information from are using people like him. All these polarizing issues are purely Marxist, and the lefties pushing them have become more comfortable saying that part out loud. If you have a problem with even the appearance of being associated with Hitler or Nazis, one would think you'd be even more cautious about being associated with an ideolgy much, much worse.

 

[BigRed]

It's kut

 

[jamil]

Oh yeah, one of Jamils earlier posts reminded me: when it comes to listening to a self proclaimed lefty, the moment the word “MAGA” comes out of their mouth, I’m done giving you the benefit of the doubt, and I don’t give two ****s what your opinions are. I’m so sick of these commies using the phrase Make America Great Again as a derogatory term. **** all the way off with that trash.

If LG wanted to be viewed as not trolling, THAT certainly didn't help him.

 

[jamil]

I was going to post something similar but you beat me to it. LG seems like a sharper than average guy, not an ignorant, bomb throwing mouth breather like many on the left seem to be. It's why I can't understand how he doesn't see that the people he gets his information from are using people like him. All these polarizing issues are purely Marxist, and the lefties pushing them have become more comfortable saying that part out loud. If you have a problem with even the appearance of being associated with Hitler or Nazis, one would think you'd be even more cautious about being associated with an ideolgy much, much worse.

Wherever he got that story from certainly lied to him. That's something I will not tolerate. I lean libertarian/conservative, so if a conservative news outlet lies to me, they're ****ing done. I'll never trust them again.

If we're keeping body count score, communists have far outpaced the Nazis. But here's the thing. A lefty ideologue would read what I said and assume that that means I favor Nazis. Both are evil. Both should see the exposure to the disinfecting light of the public square mocking those ideals into oblivion. But it's worth noting that the ideology of the left is actually worse than Nazism, astonishing as that is.

 

[jamil]

It's kut

Nah. Different style completely.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

 

[ZurokSlayer7X9]

"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage." -Rules No. 4 and 5 from Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals"

After following this site for 2+ years now, as well as meeting a few of the members in this thread in reality, I can say with a degree of certainty that the VAST majority of members on this site do not align to any nazi beliefs. The reason the left often ridicules their adversary (republicans, conservatives, MAGA, etc.) is to "gridlock" a debate and put the opposition in defense rather than having a practical discussion. It's effectively a "get out of jail free card" when they either realize they were wrong or cannot offer an effective rebuttal or evidence for their argument. Now suddenly you're aligned with the bad guys, and now have to waste energy to say your not or the challenge is left uncontested.

This harms us as much as it harms the victims of such atrocities, as now we have a situation of "the boy who cried wolf". Calling this group a nazi group, even assuming the tweet is real as troubling as that might be, is a very serious allegation, as you are now aligning them to mass murderers and tyrants. It'd be one thing if they were goose stepping down the road and calling for extermination, it's another thing to make an asinine tweet and use a hitler quote in a cautionary sense. I quoted Saul Alinsky, doesn't make me a socialist revolutionary.

Something that may have had innocent intentions was sensationalized to the point where we were throwing the "nazi" label like a hot potato, almost like something out of Arthur Miller's "The Crucible". I know this is the internet, and this stuff happens all the time, but I think its a decent allegory as to some of the reasoning as to why "we just can't all get along".

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Re: the "Democrats are 10x worse" allusion. . . The Democrats are lagging behind the Chinese Communists with their over 100 Million killed, and the Russian Communists with their 60 or 70 million killed, but they're trying to catch up. Let me just mention the over 40 MILLION unborn babies they've enabled to be killed over the past 50 years or so. The rate of deaths has slowed down, but the Democrat Party is still out there swinging for Abortion On Demand. . . among other things. . .

 

[Sigblitz]

The tweet wasn't about Hitler. He was quoted on the news letter.

The tweet is the damage here, which LG pointed out as white supremacists talking points and in context associated it with Nazis. Supposedly the tweet is fake.

 

[LeftyGunner]

@LeftyGunner OK, the more I have thought about these statements, the more I believe you are trolling.

So unless you can provide proof that this group indeed supports Hitler's ideals and wasnt just inarticulate, knock it off.

If not you can join you cohort xmil. Official warning.

You've been pretty tame and reasonable in the past, but you are getting danger close to the ditches with this one. Show proof or knock it off.

You’re the boss.

It has never been my intent to troll, and I am not looking to get into an altercation with the moderators here, but I do want to clarify what you are requesting…

“So unless you can provide proof that this group indeed supports Hitler's ideals and wasnt just inarticulate, knock it off”

Please try to realize: I am not claiming this group supports Hitler…I’m pointing out that unforced errors like these reinforce the perception among the center and the left that the right has a nazi problem.

I literally cannot comply with your request because I am not making the argument you accuse me of...are you saying that if I continue to post in this thread I will be banned?

 

[jamil]

Please try to realize: I am not claiming this group supports Hitler…I’m pointing out that unforced errors like these reinforce the idea among the center and the left that the right has a nazi problem.

Again, I’ll point to how differences in worldviews impact’s interpretation. People with a right leaning worldview understand the quote to be a warning and an accusation against the left, not an endorsement, because they all understand the problem the same way.

People with a left wing worldview see it as an endorsement, because to them, the only reason right wing people would quote Hitler, is because they agree with him.

About that worldview, the problem is that you guys have been telling yourselves in bad faith for so long that the right wing is next to Nazism, that you now believe it. So to you, (collectively "you") the most natural interpretation, the easy one, isn't ever the charitable one. And by charitable, I mean the most rational one.

Okay, so is it really an unforced error for a right wing parent's advocacy group to use a Hitler quote to warn people about what the left wing clown people are doing? In other words, did it even occur to you that they're identifying who is really on Hitler's side here?

Is it an unforced error? An unforced error to me is 1) to do something that undermines your potential for success, and 2) in such a way that even the least charitable interpretation of it is also the correct one.

Should this group have anticipated all the ways opponents might apply the least charitable AND incorrect interpretation? That list is infinite. Hitler quote or no, you guys already think they're Nazis anyway. So any mention of Hitler, no matter the context, is all clown world's eager to be clutched pearls need.