Fanatical religious terrorist incident Colorado Springs.

[Wild Deuce]

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[Expat]

This thread reminds me ...

“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.” ~ Winston Churchill

Only one thing is certain ... as long as the accusations and blame get hurled hot and heavy at the pro-life movement early enough, it will not matter what the facts bear out at the end of the investigation. The political points will have been scored. Any corrections or retractions will get buried in Sec D page 9 of the paper ... six months from now.

This seems to be the leftists stock in trade.

 

[BugI02]

I think the public will look at him, living in his trailer out in the desert or his shack in the carolinas with no power, electric, running water, etc. and have a hard time seeing him as somehow part of the great right wing anti abortion conspiracy.

Unibomber Redux

 

[hoosierdoc]

AP article:

A law enforcement official said Dear told authorities "no more baby parts" after being arrested, part of a rambling statement that investigators were parsing to understand the reasoning.The official said the "no more baby parts" comment was among a number of statements Dear made to authorities after his arrest, making it difficult to know his specific motivation.
The law enforcement official spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not allowed to publicly discuss the ongoing investigation.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-11-30-14-14-46

 

[BugI02]

Doc I think that AP excerpt makes GFGT's case for him. The guy makes many rambling statements to the authorities but that's the only one that get's reported? Sounds like it was the only one that fit the agenda.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Yep. Just like the "cross" made of two twigs and mounted sideways at a cabin across the country

 

[Kutnupe14]

Doc I think that AP excerpt makes GFGT's case for him. The guy makes many rambling statements to the authorities but that's the only one that get's reported? Sounds like it was the only one that fit the agenda.

So are we accepting that it is probably valid that he said "no more baby parts?" I don't see how given the place this even occurred, that printing that statement is indicative of an agenda... unless you think it is the official who has an agenda, and not the media; notice he gave the specifics of the quote, leaving out the "ramblings."

 

[hoosierdoc]

I'll accept it. I'm also noticing nearly every time people seem to report interacting with him it's a stream of non-sensical statements that are hard to understand their connection.

my hyper-religious delusional schizophrenic patients I regard as mentally ill, not religious fanatics. This guy is a member of the mentally ill club, not some political faction.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

So are we accepting that it is probably valid that he said "no more baby parts?" I don't see how given the place this even occurred, that printing that statement is indicative of an agenda... unless you think it is the official who has an agenda, and not the media; notice he gave the specifics of the quote, leaving out the "ramblings."

"We"? No. But then again, "we" are not making up the headlines, repeating this line with every news report update on TV, and plastering the return of abortion violence all over our websites.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'll accept it. I'm also noticing nearly every time people seem to report interacting with him it's a stream of non-sensical statements that are hard to understand their connection.

my hyper-religious delusional schizophrenic patients I regard as mentally ill, not religious fanatics. This guy is a member of the mentally ill club, not some political faction.

I can accept, and have even acknowledged, that he isn't a part of some legitimate political faction. But I think it's likely that he identifies with one ideology over another.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Another thought that occured to me regarding this "safe room" in the PP building...wouldn't it be ironic if this were to also be in one of their abortion rooms?

 

[Expat]

I'll accept it. I'm also noticing nearly every time people seem to report interacting with him it's a stream of non-sensical statements that are hard to understand their connection.

my hyper-religious delusional schizophrenic patients I regard as mentally ill, not religious fanatics. This guy is a member of the mentally ill club, not some political faction.

So if they say they are an angel, demon or hand of God, you don't believe it is true... You need to be more open minded Doc :-)

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Sen. Boxer sends letter to Speaker Ryan calling on him to disband select committee on Planned Parenthood in wake of Colorado shooting.


Congressional investigations cause shootings now

 

[BugI02]

So are we accepting that it is probably valid that he said "no more baby parts?" I don't see how given the place this even occurred, that printing that statement is indicative of an agenda... unless you think it is the official who has an agenda, and not the media; notice he gave the specifics of the quote, leaving out the "ramblings."

Refresher course from wa-a-ay upthread three posts above yours.

A law enforcement official said Dear told authorities "no more baby parts" after being arrested, part of a rambling statement that investigators were parsing to understand the reasoning.The official said the "no more baby parts" comment was among a number of statements Dear made to authorities after his arrest, making it difficult to know his specific motivation.

​They mention quite a bit of 'information' being volunteered by this guy, but only quote one specific bit of it. Why not the whole thing?

 

[Expat]

Sen. Boxer sends letter to Speaker Ryan calling on him to disband select committee on Planned Parenthood in wake of Colorado shooting.


Congressional investigations cause shootings now

So if the Democrats' efforts to ban guns would cause a shooting, they would abandon any future attempts?

 

[chipbennett]

So are we accepting that it is probably valid that he said "no more baby parts?" I don't see how given the place this even occurred, that printing that statement is indicative of an agenda... unless you think it is the official who has an agenda, and not the media; notice he gave the specifics of the quote, leaving out the "ramblings."

I would prefer to see it in a validated/corroborated form, but for the sake of argument: sure, I'll accept it.

It still doesn't explain how and why he carried out his attack in the manner in which he carried it out (all the shooting outside the clinic, before entering, for example). It also doesn't give any indication that it was religiously motivated. (Shocking though it may be, not all who oppose abortion - or harvesting of parts from aborted babies - hold that opposition on religious grounds.)

For all we know, the guy could have believed that PP clinics are really FEMA concentration camps in disguise.

 

[chipbennett]

I can accept, and have even acknowledged, that he isn't a part of some legitimate political faction. But I think it's likely that he identifies with one ideology over another.

Someone of this guy's brand of lunacy, if he ascribes to any particular ideology over another, is more likely to be some loony anarchist ideology (think Bill Ayers) - nothing mainstream.

 

[BugI02]

Until I see transcripts of his statements to authorities or hear him interviewed or interrogated, I'm not sure I could conclude he's coherent enough to be said to identify with any particular ideology. You're not theorizing, Kut - you're guessing.

 

[chipbennett]

Sen. Boxer sends letter to Speaker Ryan calling on him to disband select committee on Planned Parenthood in wake of Colorado shooting.


Congressional investigations cause shootings now

Compare/Contrast the narrative and media handling of this incident, the shooter, the alleged target (Planned Parenthood) and the Center for Medical Progress, versus the narrative and media handling of Floyd Corkins, the Family Research Council, and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Until I see transcripts of his statements to authorities or hear him interviewed or interrogated, I'm not sure I could conclude he's coherent enough to be said to identify with any particular ideology. You're not theorizing, Kut - you're guessing.

No, I'm playing the odds.