Elmore's/thread lock/FFL questions

[lovemywoods]

You never really know why threads are locked. Sure things may of gotten personal but this topic is a pretty big deal. Of course you never know what personal relationship the mods have with elmores either.

That statement is out of line. There is no reason to post this type of baseless innuendo here. Negative rep sent.

 

[rightwingmilitia]

So the mods here are incorruptable? Like Batman..... lol
dUH NUH NUN UH DUH NUH UD DUH SHOOTER...... LOL


(the above is in now way a mentally challenged person refrence just my horrible interpretation of the batman music)

I had to throw in a batman reference my kid is watching dark knight now..
but for the record



Elmores is dirty, elmores is dirty, elmores is dirty.........

 

[IndyMonkey]

OK, whatever, dude.



It may happen on other forums with other Mods, but not here. End of story.



If you have an issue with a particular Moderator, take it up with him by PM, please.

Really I didn't read the sticky about that. I don't have any issues with any mods, your the one who is all emotional.

 

[printcraft]

E5RANGER375 you did not knowingly at the time attempt to break any laws or skirt any rules.

I think you are in the clear. The burden of proof would be on the shop in this case.

AND unless it was not called in........,
how can you or anyone else (paging ATF) make a case
that it happened that way? Your word against theirs?
It seems like some real evidence would be needed for any action.
Not calling you a liar by any means but if it came down to it it would be your word against theirs.

 

[IndyMonkey]

That statement is out of line. There is no reason to post this type of baseless innuendo here. Negative rep sent.

I have been around message boards long enough to see all kids of bs from people that post, mods and site owners. neg rep... Really?

 

[rightwingmilitia]

Not really if he stopped anywhere along the way and had a receipt or could prove time it wouldnt.... im sure all ATF checks are time stamped

 

[smitty12b]

What if Elmore's called it in later, and just sold the pistol in good faith. If they knew him, they could call and say 'no go'?

First, thanks for posting a legit question. I think the store has still screwed up by letting a person take a gun out the door without doing a check, even if it's a family member, the laws, like them or not, are there for a reason. If they call and say bring it back, what is the buyer's motivation to return it?

 

[IndyMonkey]

I'm checking out of this thread.

 

[printcraft]

Not really if he stopped anywhere along the way and had a receipt or could prove time it wouldnt.... im sure all ATF checks are time stamped

Yeah, that's what I mean by further proof is needed.
An internet rant won't get the job done.

 

[E5RANGER375]

E5RANGER375 you did not knowingly at the time attempt to break any laws or skirt any rules.

I think you are in the clear. The burden of proof would be on the shop in this case.

AND unless it was not called in........,
how can you or anyone else (paging ATF) make a case
that it happened that way? Your word against theirs?
It seems like some real evidence would be needed for any action.
Not calling you a liar by any means but if it came down to it it would be your word against theirs.

well i have a store reciept custom made (printed) for elmores shop, also i dont know for a fact this is the case but if they sold a private owner gun off their shelf then they might have never written it into the books (illegal too) let alone called in my paperwork (illegal too). so if i have a Elmores receipt (in Russ Elmores personal handwriting) from that date and the State police or feds have no record of me buying a gun from elmores on that date then i'd say thats pretty good evidence right??

 

[printcraft]

well i have a store reciept custom made (printed) for elmores shop, also i dont know for a fact this is the case but if they sold a private owner gun off their shelf then they might have never written it into the books (illegal too) let alone called in my paperwork (illegal too). so if i have a Elmores receipt (in Russ Elmores personal handwriting) from that date and the State police or feds have no record of me buying a gun from elmores on that date then i'd say thats pretty good evidence right??

Yes.

 

[rightwingmilitia]

DING DING DING.....

and the winner is?

ELMORES is Dirtier than a girl you pick up on 21st and capital who says for 20 buck she will call you what ever you want....

 

[LEaSH]

DING DING DING.....

and the winner is?

ELMORES is Dirtier than a girl you pick up on 21st and capital who says for 20 buck she will call you what ever you want....

But that's what I like.

 

[Walt_Jabsco]

So what's accomplished by this? You run one of the better local gun stores out of business? I'm really not one of the anti-government types that populate this board that think any kind of government agency is the devil, but I don't understand why you think this is a good idea.

Elmore's, for the most part, has nothing but a good reputation, on this board and in the local gun community in general. They have, by far, the best selection of 1911's in the Indianapolis area, if not the state, and have consistently reasonable prices.

What's going to happen now, with your running off and reporting minor infractions, is the ATF is going to come down with the hammer and run another good business out of existence. Let the ATF do their jobs. Don't do it for them.

 

[E5RANGER375]

even if they did call it in later, which i doubt, now looking back, because of wispers i saw, and at the time didnt make sense to me ( i thought they were just wispering how much money they were making, since i didnt get a good deal and i knew it, but i bought what i was looking for and couldnt find elsewhere). it was still illegal to not call it in before i left, as i now understand it.

what i seriously think happened is that elmores brought in a gun for a buddy who wanted to sell it and they kept it OFF THE BOOKS, then when an innocent buyer like me came along, they shoved it out the door illegaly too. so you have a illegal "in the back" of the store gun, and basicly an "out the back" of the store gun sale. THIS STATEMENT IS NOT A PROVEN FACT, im just speculating and giving my opinion here in this statement.

 

[rightwingmilitia]

I they are breaking the law they arent good? what says they arent selling to Steve Deputy? do some research on that name.... maybe he was one of their regulars and is getting guns without a permit.?

Evil prevails when good men fail to act and Russ Elmore is showing that he fails to act just like good old don


I have personal ties to Steve Deputy and a gun in his hands is a very bad Idea.... but then again that means I get to shoot someone.....

Seriously research steve deputy..... you should find it in Indiana criminal cases.....

 

[smitty12b]

DING DING DING.....

and the winner is?

ELMORES is Dirtier than a girl you pick up on 21st and capital who says for 20 buck she will call you what ever you want....

Hey, don't pick on da ho's, how would all the gen-con guys get laid without them?

 

[Walt_Jabsco]

"The state calls its own violence `law', but that of the individual `crime'"


That's your sig. So... You question the state's authority in every post, but run along reporting good businesses to the ATF as soon as you see the slightest infraction?

 

[E5RANGER375]

So what's accomplished by this? You run one of the better local gun stores out of business? I'm really not one of the anti-government types that populate this board that think any kind of government agency is the devil, but I don't understand why you think this is a good idea.

Elmore's, for the most part, has nothing but a good reputation, on this board and in the local gun community in general. They have, by far, the best selection of 1911's in the Indianapolis area, if not the state, and have consistently reasonable prices.

What's going to happen now, with your running off and reporting minor infractions, is the ATF is going to come down with the hammer and run another good business out of existence. Let the ATF do their jobs. Don't do it for them.

ok man you are totaly missing the point. if elmores or ANY gun shop is doing illegal sales and breaking the law THEN THEY DONT DESERVE TO BE IN BUSINESS no matter what their selection is like. i cant believe you just said that

 

[rightwingmilitia]

Its not a good business walt... I see it as a business that can and probably will put a firearm into steve deputies hands..... i had an issue googling it so I will just tell you

Steve Deputy was married to my girlfriends sister... She thought about leaving him because he physically abused her.... So got the nerve to leave and on the night she was to leave he came home, raped the H#$% out of her bashed her skull in with a hammer and practically decapitated her with a pocket knife...... and left her for dead... At his trial he threatened to finish the job and come after my girl and the rest of her family.... He only served 12 years and is out and about walking the streets off the grid now... no one knows where he is...

That is why I think any business that deals dirty or does straw purchases is wrong and the ATF should hang them...

A gun in his hands is a bad Idea.