Don't punch in a street fight?

[iChokePeople]

A fight is fluid, moving, evolving and never works out as planed. Been there, done that and lived through most.

Lived through... "most"?

 

[Caleb]

Lived through... "most"?

didn't you hear? he died towards the end

 

[paddling_man]

I usually avoid the internet-toughguy-membermeasuring contests but will add to those looking for factual information:

Have ya been hit? Have you been kicked in the crotch? Had blood streaming down into your eyes? Had your head jarred from a punch/kick to the head?

Before you spend much time quoting things you've read in some "expert" article or prepping for what mystery move you're gonna throw, make sure you know what it feels like to hurt. I've known some practitioners of one discipline or another who sparred / kumite only in light contact. If you've got no experience with what it feels like to be punched/kicked/bloodied/winded, you might not want to be in real danger during your virgin experience.

Your survival may depend being able to keep a clear head and power thru pain/injury.

PS- Interesting article about ground fighting. Yeah, a street fight may end up on the ground. It may not. The experience is NOT the same for vertical fighting and ground fighting: as analogous to swimming vs diving, though both may involve the other or transition in between the two.

"Foul moves?" Dirty fighting? BS. If the reference of "foul moves" means "tricks," yeah... sure. See above. Ground /grappling ain't the same. Fight fair? Again, BS. You inflict enough pain / injury to stop their ability or desire to continue to fight then you get the heck out of dodge.

Street fighting is NOT a dojo or a MMA mat.

Every time someone indulges tough guy fantasies on the net, a kitten dies.

 

[armedindy]

"INGO Meet and Beat; indianas finest gun owners brawl it out!!!"

 

[paddling_man]

"INGO Meet and Beat; indianas finest gun owners brawl it out!!!"

First Rule of Meet and Beat?

My gawd, just don't let ZbornacSVT come. Holy crap... there would be a lesson in avoiding the conflict.

 

[WC Deer Hunter]

"INGO Meet and Beat; indianas finest gun owners brawl it out!!!"

LIVE February 17 at Market Square Arena! With special guest, uh what was I saying? Oh yeah wait a minute it's 2012. Never mind I forgot my training meds.

 

[armedindy]

Rule #1. Bring an adequate amount of bacon.

 

[jdhaines]

I usually avoid the internet-toughguy-membermeasuring contests but will add to those looking for factual information:

I agree and I wasn't trying to make it that at all...just honest discussion about the topic at hand.

Have ya been hit? Have you been kicked in the crotch? Had blood streaming down into your eyes? Had your head jarred from a punch/kick to the head?

I hadn't...but did in a class and got shocked majorly as to how things really work.

Before you spend much time quoting things you've read in some "expert" article or prepping for what mystery move you're gonna throw, make sure you know what it feels like to hurt. I've known some practitioners of one discipline or another who sparred / kumite only in light contact. If you've got no experience with what it feels like to be punched/kicked/bloodied/winded, you might not want to be in real danger during your virgin experience.

Good thoughts, but Cecil is a real "expert." I've trained with him, he's a major player, everything he does is pressure tested full on.

Your survival may depend being able to keep a clear head and power thru pain/injury.

PS- Interesting article about ground fighting. Yeah, a street fight may end up on the ground. It may not. The experience is NOT the same for vertical fighting and ground fighting: as analogous to swimming vs diving, though both may involve the other or transition in between the two.

"Foul moves?" Dirty fighting? BS. If the reference of "foul moves" means "tricks," yeah... sure. See above. Ground /grappling ain't the same. Fight fair? Again, BS. You inflict enough pain / injury to stop their ability or desire to continue to fight then you get the heck out of dodge.

Street fighting is NOT a dojo or a MMA mat.

You can simulate it pretty damn close. Put on trainer weapons, come up with a quick situation, have one or more guys be the bad-guy(s) and one guy be the good guy and simulate an unscripted assault. Anything is allowed meaning the bad guy may ask for money then leave you alone. Maybe 3 guys will jump you at once. You can come pretty close to seeing how some of these things would really work out. Temper that from people who have been there and doing that for their entire careers, have seen thousands of videos of real assaults happen and been involved with hundreds up close and personal, cross that with crime statistics, dash of sugar and you can get a much better idea than a basic internet video. Rinse and repeat every week in and around training the individual pieces that will make you better at the overall.

One key observation is that things go to the ground more often than they don't. Guys have wrestled since they were little with brothers, neighbors, etc. What happens when little kids fight? One trips the other, they fall on the ground, and they roll around. What happens when two adults who don't know much about fighting fight? More often than not they close distance, wrap up in some sort of screwed up tangle, then fall on the ground. What's the most commonly trained combat sport for people walking around on the streets? High school wrestling. How many people on the street know anything about honest to goodness attribute based boxing? Very damn few. I certainly agree not to train just ground/grappling, but to ignore it means you lose more often than if you didn't ignore it. Cecil's article was just trying to explain to people that grabbing for balls or poking eyes will not rescue your bacon as often as you think it might.

I wasn't aiming this at you paddling_man, just trying to refocus why I linked his article. I'm still new to this whole part of training, and I'm trying to pass on a little of what we've seen come through pretty clearly thus far.

Every time someone indulges tough guy fantasies on the net, a kitten dies.

Damn right!

 

[armedindy]

getting punched in the face is pretty jarring (ever seen stars?) your face is where all of your sense come together, and when someone lays into it it basically messes everything up..a good one to the nose makes your eyes water and hurts like hell...ive been punched plenty of times and every single blow was very unpleasant...hence me returning fire with a fury....but im no tough guy(saved a kitten)

 

[churchmouse]

Lived through... "most"?

Yeah, most. Good point. Some were a lot rougher to live through than others was my meaning

 

[churchmouse]

Have ya been hit? Have you been kicked in the crotch? Had blood streaming down into your eyes? Had your head jarred from a punch/kick to the head?



Yes/yes/yes and lived through most of right up until I DIED IN THE END.....

 

[armedindy]

soo an INGOst....or a poltINGOeist

 

[churchmouse]

soo an INGOst....or a poltINGOeist

Just not sure. I am so confused from all the blows to the head..

 

[paddling_man]

Just not sure. I am so confused from all the blows to the head..

Speak quietly around churchmouse... he doesn't know he's already dead.

 

[jeremy]

Have ya been hit?

Yes, quite often while I was going through my 20's...

Have you been kicked in the crotch?

Yes, quite often while I was going through my 20's...

Had blood streaming down into your eyes?

Yes, quite often while I was going through my 20's...

Had your head jarred from a punch/kick to the head?

Yes, quite often while I was going through my 20's...


Sooo...
How did I do on your little test?!

Every time someone indulges tough guy fantasies on the net, a kitten dies.

Good...
I hate Cats anyway...

 

[paddling_man]

Not my test, yours. You tell me? Didja pass? Since you can still post, i'm guessing you did.

Are your knuckles chaliced?

 

[jeremy]

Not my test, yours. You tell me? Didja pass? Since you can still post, i'm guessing you did.

Are your knuckles chaliced?

No, my knuckles are not chaliced...
Sigh...
I wish though...

I did learn one thing out of all of it though....
If you go into a Turk Bar, don't try to pick up anyone's Sister, Cousin, Niece, Girlfriend, Fiance, Wife, or Mistress. Hell just stay away from the Turkish Women no matter how good she may look....

 

[paddling_man]

I think we need pics of the Turkish sister before we can decide. Some bruises might be worth it.

 

[jeremy]

I think we need pics of the Turkish sister before we can decide. Some bruises might be worth it.

They were definitely worth it...

 

[paddling_man]

Now THAT was MY test. Yeah... you passed.