Dallas Protest, Shots Fired

[Alpo]

That is way around the bend....kidnapping by restricting traffic flow? LOL

 

[jbombelli]

I don't believe anyone has the right to interfere with my freedom of movement without just cause.

According to Burns Ind. Code Ann. § 35-42-3-2a person commits kidnapping if s/he knowingly or intentionally confines or removes another person:

• With intent to obtain ransom;
• While hijacking a vehicle;
• With intent to obtain the release, or intent to aid in the escape, of any person from lawful detention; or
• With intent to use the person confined as a shield or hostage;

In Indiana, kidnapping is a Class A felony.

So what would you do if you were called to a scene where some guy shot several people because they were standing in the road?

 

[actaeon277]

I don't think restricting traffic flow is a "first amendment" issue.
If they want to protest, then they can pull over for a minute, hour, day, or whatever. They can repaint their trailer with their message.
They can hold a gathering.
Whatever.

But just because they want to "get the message out" doesn't mean they need to stop people from getting their pay cut for being late to work.
What about that ambulance that gets stuck in a traffic snarl?

 

[Alpo]

That's all true and speaks to the sympathy such protests either gather or negate. I don't sympathize with most of the pia protests that interrupt my peace and quiet. I do believe they have a right to say what they need to say....and in many cases the issue of "justice" or "fairness" is entirely appropriate. But I don't respond well to discourtesy. Most of us don't.

So, BLM may be right about many things. I do believe they are going about it the wrong way.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Wow. I completely disagree, and so do most of the founders and Emerson, Thoreau....

Civil disobedience is as important as suffrage.

That was in an era where the vast vast majority of people were self-sufficient. Now we have a huge class of lazy folks who do not work, are fully supported by taxpayers and then go out and block the very taxpayers who are supporting them.

Nope. Not in my town.

 

[jamil]

The Tea Party destroyed property. Quite a big difference from a peaceful protest.

The right to protest is like any other right. There is a point where a right exercised infringes other people's rights such that it exceeds that being a right. Diverse people will disagree on the exact point but reasonable people will at least agree that there is a point.

Also, protesting should not supersede the law. The Truckers who drove 20mph violated minimum speed laws. They all should have been cited, enforcement discretion notwithstanding. There's a cost to such protests. Emergency vehicles can't get through. Innocent people may lose income. Maybe the cause is easier justified in the minds of protesters when they think protesting costs nothing.

 

[Alpo]

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.

 

[phylodog]

So what would you do if you were called to a scene where some guy shot several people because they were standing in the road?

Contact a prosecutor and do what they advised.

 

[jbombelli]

Contact a prosecutor and do what they advised.

What do you think a prosecutor would likely advise, given that standing in the road doesn't really put anyone in fear of imminent serious bodily injury or death?

 

[miguel]

So you're completely ok killing people because the block a street?

I would hope they'd get out of the way, like when the Illinois Nazis jump off the bridge in the Blues Brothers movie!

[video=youtube;-ukFAvYP3UU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ukFAvYP3UU[/video]

And water cannons would be better than unleashing R2-D2 with a claymore strapped to his forehead to get a guy we should arrest rather than blow up.

 

[Gary119]

After the truckers did the slow moving roadblock the federal government pasted a law against doing so, the reason you don't see any more.

36 CFR 4.13 - OBSTRUCTING TRAFFIC

 

[miguel]

I wonder what kind of idiots they learned to sit down on the floor in the middle of a protest from?

 

[oldpink]

Are we discussing the justification of the use of such tool? Sure, there's a time and place where it could be applicable. But when? Do you think it should've been used in Dallas before the shots rang out?

What part of the word "riot" did you miss?
The BLM gathering itself in Dallas, while sadly infested by some obnoxious people (the dancing with joy moments after the news of the killed LEO first came in), was not that.
You're missing the point, which is that water cannons and releasing the hounds is the sort of tactic that is far more common and a tactic that is still used in other places, including Europe and especially South America and Asia, but not so much (if ever) here these days.
Again, what part of that was missed?

 

[jamil]

Are we discussing the justification of the use of such tool? Sure, there's a time and place where it could be applicable. But when? Do you think it should've been used in Dallas before the shots rang out?

Not in Dallas. Probably most recently in Minnesota. Definitely in Baltimore and St Louis when they had the riots there.

 

[pudly]

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.

...for good or ill.

 

[Kutnupe14]

What part of the word "riot" did you miss?
The BLM gathering itself in Dallas, while sadly infested by some obnoxious people (the dancing with joy moments after the news of the killed LEO first came in), was not that.
You're missing the point, which is that water cannons and releasing the hounds is the sort of tactic that is far more common and a tactic that is still used in other places, including Europe and especially South America and Asia, but not so much (if ever) here these days.
Again, what part of that was missed?

Nope, not a fan of water cannons, too much escalation. That would undoubtedly end up with well more violence than intended.

 

[halfmileharry]

I wonder what kind of idiots they learned to sit down on the floor in the middle of a protest from?

I remember doing this in kindergarten at story time. Then we got our little carton of milk, mat, and laid down for our nap. I was 5 at the time.

 

[Fargo]

That's a pretty big net you are casting over the whole of INGO.

So when I quote a specific poster and refer to him in the singular "you" I somehow cast a net over all of INGo? Mmmmkay....

 

[Kutnupe14]

So when I quote a poster and refer to him in the singular "you" I somehow cast a net over all of INGo? Mmmmkay....

Monolithic entity?

 

[Fargo]

Monolithic entity?

Only in Kirk's mind.