CIVIL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION: All things Christianity

[historian]

(to not post whore):

That hasn't stopped you before...

.....and Inanimate Objects.
Can we still hump our vacuum cleaners?

It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Kirby!

 

[historian]

You suck.

Historian, Concurring in whole.

The majority in this case does not go far enough, I feel that there are stronger terms that could be used.

 

[foszoe]

Uhhh...you're just in the wrong church.

Or a husband that belittles and abuses his wife, or any number of sins that are make us squirm to discuss.


Like I've said, the church has done a real ****ty job at helping people with their sin. We've become experts in kicking them while they're down.




Acts 11:5-7 is my life verse(s).

 

[2A_Tom]

Not my point.

I'm not saying everyone, I'm not saying you, I'm not saying me. But the church as a whole in America, and how our message has been received. This isn't a left thing, it isn't a right thing. It's about how we deal with sin and how we deal with our brothers and sisters who struggle with temptation. It's about the message we've sending out to the lost and hurting: you're not welcome here.


My point was the protestant, evangelical church's message has been, "Don't be gay!" for the past 20 years. That's a fact, Jack.

Not, "we value marriage", but "we don't allow gay marriage". We've done everything we can to marginalize gays.


Part of the problem is human nature; one bad preacher (e.g. Westboro Baptist, that crackpot fundie church in Hammond) can undo the good preaching of 500 honorable, loving churches.

I assume that you have never attended one of OUR services.

 

[NKBJ]

While reading through Psalm 119 last night soaking it up, the recorded thoughts and feelings poring forth... it was awesome.
Had been a long time since reading 119. Each year I tend to concentrate on the corresponding psalm. For me the jury is still out on whether the Book of Psalms is prophetic in the structure of the King James. So I'm going back to examining the proposition, along with the line up of kings in 2nd Esdras.

 

[JettaKnight]

Uhhh...you're just in the wrong church.

Let me say this one more time: The whole church has dropped the ball when it comes to gay people.

Mainline failed by telling them, "Being gay is fabulous" and evangelicals failed by telling them, "Just stay away if you're gay."

 

[2A_Tom]

There is no church until Christ comes back. There are only local Churches.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

No interpretation necessary. The epistles are quite explicit about what a Christian should abstain from.


My view on sex is clear: If it's just you and your spouse, play ball! (edit: even the German / Japanese stuff )

How does animals work in that theory? I really, really don't want to ponder that question.



EDIT (to not post whore): As to that book I keep touting, I'd recommend it to my brothers here. It does a decent job at helping understand how the Bible applies to you, in your life, in your time - even thought the letters were written to someone else, in another language, in another time. I don't agree with all the conclusions (e.g. egalitarianism), but thought provoking.

So is spouse defined as a person of the opposite sex, biblically?

I know I'm not here to find any loopholes or whatever. Really just curious how the information came to be, from centuries ago to what it is today, and if there's even the possibility that some of that information could be pressed differently.

Sorry for the delay... got in a car wreck on the way home... dealing with that past few hours.

 

[2A_Tom]

You shouldn't be on INGO while driving.

 

[2A_Tom]

Quiet in here tonight.

 

[Dead Duck]

[video=youtube;a54iqEr1flQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a54iqEr1flQ[/video]

 

[Dead Duck]

[video=youtube;me2H7Ja93Wg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me2H7Ja93Wg[/video]

 

[historian]

So is spouse defined as a person of the opposite sex, biblically?

I did a lot of thinking on this last night, and every time it is referred to as husband and wife or man and woman. "Spouse" just doesn't exist in the Bible.

 

[Ziggidy]

If a female identifies as a male and a male identifies as a female; can they marry? And adopt children?

 

[T.Lex]

I feel compelled to point out "can" is different than "should." Miscegenation laws have a long tradition, even biblical.

The Bible presents a case for how we should act. We have the freedom to not follow those instructions, particularly when civil laws allow for (or even encourage) the "wrong" behavior. That is actually a commonality between modern and biblical societies - even back then there were a multiplicity of law-givers that allowed conduct different than what the Bible encourages.

 

[historian]

If a female identifies as a male and a male identifies as a female; can they marry? And adopt children?

Well...there are other things which then come into play that are way beyond that. I mean...Romans 1 carries a lot of weight.

 

[Ziggidy]

Well...there are other things which then come into play that are way beyond that. I mean...Romans 1 carries a lot of weight.

ALLOT of weight....

 

[foszoe]

This all started with the English language not having gender....figure out how that happened and the answer you will find.

 

[T.Lex]

This all started with the English language not having gender....figure out how that happened and the answer you will find.

Stupid political correctness.

 

[foszoe]

Let me say this one more time: The whole church has dropped the ball when it comes to gay people.

Mainline failed by telling them, "Being gay is fabulous" and evangelicals failed by telling them, "Just stay away if you're gay."

Saying it doesn't make it so.

The problem root as with most sins lies in the protestant movement doing away with confession as an Avenue for the Grace of God.

Every person for himself. That's why a "Christian" bookstore has shelves full of self help books with all the latest authors up front and a shelf or two of dusty bibles in the back.

Once divorced from the Church, each person fends for themselves cut off from the wisdom of the Church. Then each person is their own church. Each person decides what the Church is. Those who mostly agree may even occupy the same building for a time, but over a lifetime that usually changes for Protestant believers.

From their fruit you shall know them.

If one ignores their theology and visits their bookstores and their churches, it doesn't take long to see why the protestants are full of the latest and greatest knowledge but are lacking in grace.

And it's not the individual's fault. They only know what they are taught usually from the wisdom of the last 50 years if the book hey are holding from their study group is tha old and I am probably being generous...its most likely less than 5.