CIVIL RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION: All things Christianity

[T.Lex]

I find all of this interesting. How we all differ on many points, yet we all agree on many points. I'm not predestined guy.

I'm most surprised (often) about the divergence of approaches. Like, I get there might be dogmatic nuance, but some of these things have just completely different starting points.

Almost like God revealed Himself differently to different people, so as to save the most people.

 

[historian]

I'm most surprised (often) about the divergence of approaches. Like, I get there might be dogmatic nuance, but some of these things have just completely different starting points.

Almost like God revealed Himself differently to different people, so as to save the most people.

Dagum...Catholic Rob Bell! You really should change your profile to this:

 

[JettaKnight]

BE GONE WITH THEM!!!!

 

[JettaKnight]

Does God know beforehand you will have lasagna?

You know darn well I'll answer this question in the affirmative.

 

[T.Lex]

Dagum...Catholic Rob Bell! You really should change your profile to this:

Doctrinally, I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying that some people might reasonably draw that conclusion.

 

[foszoe]

Couldn't you say that is true? I mean I think it would be rather easy to show that biblically unless I am misunderstanding, which I am usually very good at

Almost like God revealed Himself differently to different people, so as to save the most people.

 

[foszoe]

You made me look him up on Wikipedia

I found these two quotes...

In his writings, Bell says "I affirm the truth anywhere in any religious system, in any worldview. If it's true, it belongs to God."[25]


Bell says, "This is not just the same old message with new methods. We're rediscovering Christianity as an Eastern religion, as a way of life. Legal metaphors for faith don't deliver a way of life. We grew up in churches where people knew the nine verses why we don't speak in tongues, but had never experienced the overwhelming presence of God."[8]

I kinda like Rob Bell, based on these two quotes alone, without context.

Dagum...Catholic Rob Bell! You really should change your profile to this:

 

[T.Lex]

Couldn't you say that is true? I mean I think it would be rather easy to show that biblically unless I am misunderstanding, which I am usually very good at

I think there is an individual level to that issue, then a faith-tradition scope.

It is intuitive, I think, that God meets us where we are. He does reveal Himself differently to individuals, because we are not all the same. The example that resonates clearest to me is the Apostle Thomas. Clearly, Christ revealed Himself differently to Thomas, because Thomas was experiencing and processing the events differently.

On the larger scale, the issue becomes about how "differently" God has actually revealed Himself. That starting point can digress into various heresies.

 

[foszoe]

I was thinking, Moses, Elijah, Samuel, Isaiah, Jacob, Peter, James, and John, Paul etc.

God reveals himself differently, but the revelation is not of different Gods.
I would even say God reveals himself incompletely with the exception of the Incarnation of course, and only through the Incarnation can we understand all other revelations of God.

I would hang both statements on our inability to fathom the mystery of God.

Interesting thought provoker anyway.

I think there is an individual level to that issue, then a faith-tradition scope.

It is intuitive, I think, that God meets us where we are. He does reveal Himself differently to individuals, because we are not all the same. The example that resonates clearest to me is the Apostle Thomas. Clearly, Christ revealed Himself differently to Thomas, because Thomas was experiencing and processing the events differently.

On the larger scale, the issue becomes about how "differently" God has actually revealed Himself. That starting point can digress into various heresies.

 

[T.Lex]

I would hang both statements on our inability to fathom the mystery of God.

I absolutely agree. (Probably not a surprise.) We have imperfect understandings, on our best day.

 

[HoughMade]

https://babylonbee.com/news/jesus-never-said-anything-felony-home-invasion/

And we all know that if Jesus didn't say anything about it in the 5 books out of 66 where we read his words, it's just not a thing.

 

[foszoe]

I know you meant 5 out of 79...must have been a typo

https://babylonbee.com/news/jesus-never-said-anything-felony-home-invasion/

And we all know that if Jesus didn't say anything about it in the 5 books out of 66 where we read his words, it's just not a thing.

 

[Ziggidy]

I think there is an individual level to that issue, then a faith-tradition scope.

It is intuitive, I think, that God meets us where we are. He does reveal Himself differently to individuals, because we are not all the same. The example that resonates clearest to me is the Apostle Thomas. Clearly, Christ revealed Himself differently to Thomas, because Thomas was experiencing and processing the events differently.

On the larger scale, the issue becomes about how "differently" God has actually revealed Himself. That starting point can digress into various heresies.

I think God introduces Himself differently to different people, but the bottom line remains consistent. There is not and/or with God. It is what it is. We all may different stories about our born again experiences, but once past that door, God is the same to all - or else you are worshiping a different god.....narrow is the path.

 

[T.Lex]

I was wondering about those numbers, too.

Not about Numbers. I think that's one we have in common.

 

[foszoe]

The life of a Christian is really a life of relationship for God is Love.

In a marriage, I may have moments where I think I know my spouse, but they don't usually last long. My love for my spouse evolves over time. Part of this is due to how she opens herself up to me, but how she opens herself up to me is often influenced by how I react to her when she does so. Love is synergistic.

It's amazing how enriched our lives can be when we listen to those we love, not hear but listen and then do what is asked to the best of our ability.

 

[foszoe]

IT depends on whether you are Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Coptic Orthodox, Syriac, Ethiopian or Protestant

It took the Church to be decisive about the NT or who knows how much variation we would have?

I was wondering about those numbers, too.

Not about Numbers. I think that's one we have in common.

 

[HoughMade]

I was wondering about those numbers, too.

Not about Numbers. I think that's one we have in common.

If you feel like you need the apocrypha.... Are those where you find the parts about priests not marrying of praying to saints?

 

[JettaKnight]

You made me look him up on Wikipedia

I found these two quotes...



I kinda like Rob Bell, based on these two quotes alone, without context.

Trust me, you might like "the old Rob Bell"... yeah, on second thought, you'd totally like him.


The new Rob Bell (and The Orpah) is a universalist, "you go to heaven! And you go to heaven! And everyone goes to heaven!!!"

 

[historian]

 

[foszoe]

The Beheading of the Holy Glorious Prophet, Forerunner, and Baptist John
Wednesday, August 29, 2018

https://oca.org/readings/daily/2018/08/29/1


For all the Baptists it's the day of the original Baptist