2016 centerfire deer rifle push?

[Willie]

House Bill 1231 - Hunting and property management - Indiana General Assembly, 2016 Session

 

[Willie]

YES!! Now I have a lot more rifles that I can hunt with. The number will depend on the restrictions that they can still impose on us if this goes all the way and actually gets implemented.

Chickens should never ever be counted until hatched..

 

[Hookeye]

Matt,

I do think some idiots will extend the range of their stupidity.
My main concern is with deer management.
Wonder if opening the regs will allow folks to take deer more easily (and increase the hunter numbers).
Also there is the competition aspect.......if you don't think some folks simply want an edge over the guy hunting next door.....

People argue terrain on the supposed safety aspect, citing other states as having similar.

I don't think that such a simple argument.

I'd like to know hunter density by area, deer numbers by area. And how those areas differ by structure.

A smart hunter could use whatever there is and be safe. But not all who chase Bambi have their heads on straight.
Ranges, gunshows, worked gun retail, worked major manufacturing with lots of people......been at this a while.

I'll stand by my assessments.

The avg deer hunter isn't on INGO, isn't really a gun person.
Why I bet a bunch of them even voted for Obama.

They're friggin' morons.

Do you think the DNR Hunting guide saying no FMJ's for rifles, if they open up the regs.............is gonna stop some rube from peeling shots at some yonder brown dot with some POS boresighted milsurp (using FMJ)?

I have hunted in areas of high trespasser/poacher activity. It was pretty scary.

Sure, we will always have the lawless types.
But I think opening the regs will invite more.
And then we will also have the just plain stupid.

Not sure what the answer is..........selective breeding, IQ test.....maybe nobody with less than a B avg in highschool should be allowed to have kids, vote or go deer hunting.
Not perfect, but probably of some help.

Our social progression does not give me the warm fuzzies.

 

[BigMatt]

Back to the serious stuff...

The rifle proposal in the legislature passed the committee 11-0 about an hour ago...

OK, so what else needs to happen for this bill to become law?

 

[Hookeye]

My bud's dad's place. Ground blind and 7 mag would probably be ideal.
Could get a Booner maybe (big dudes seen way out, yearly).

Extended range means less hunters per that spot. Next door might actually pick up a few.

Not sure how total number and dispersion would be affected.

Pluses and minuses to everything. Win/win is BS.

 

[avboiler11]

OK, so what else needs to happen for this bill to become law?

I'm gonna spitball passing the House, passing the Senate, and getting signed by Pence.

 

[avboiler11]

And the Fudds still chime in - Don?t allow high-powered hunting rifles

But that guy doesn't realize you can use an AK pistol with 30 round magazines already...

 

[MRP2003]

Jack Corpus - another uneducated fool. AK-47 with 30 round mag?? Come on. You can use it Wisconsin and Kentucky already. I am sure several other states as well. Does he not know you can use autoloaders for every other type of game in Indiana?

 

[BigMatt]

I'm gonna spitball passing the House, passing the Senate, and getting signed by Pence.

That's what I thought. So there is a long row to hoe before it gets passed.

This committee vote just means that they will hear it.

 

[Hookeye]

But that guy doesn't realize you can use an AK pistol with 30 round magazines already...

And how accurate are those AK pistols with 30 round mags?

My guess is that even with a trigger swap to good they'd be a 50 yard and in rig.
Pretty clunky they are.

There's a reason why you don't see a bunch of them in the woods.

 

[avboiler11]

And how accurate are those AK pistols with 30 round mags?

That's not the point - the point is that the scary AK-47/30 round assault clip boogeyman he used is already 100% legal and he's completely ignorant of that fact.

Having grown up hunting in Kentucky with my last two deer killed there with .224 centerfires...I am kind of stupefied that Indiana does not have a max magazine capacity limit. Kentucky is 10 rounds and that seems completely rational to me.

 

[Willie]

I don't have a problem in limiting magazine capacity. In fact it removes some of the push back about "spray and pray". Yes, I know some of that goes on today so lets don't go there..

My big problem with this whole thing is that it is going through the legislature instead of the normal Administrative Rules Process. Its a proven track record that Politicians are pretty poor game managers..

 

[Willie]

That's not the point - the point is that the scary AK-47/30 round assault clip boogeyman he used is already 100% legal and he's completely ignorant of that fact.

Having grown up hunting in Kentucky with my last two deer killed there with .224 centerfires...I am kind of stupefied that Indiana does not have a max magazine capacity limit. Kentucky is 10 rounds and that seems completely rational to me.

AKs are legal in Indiana?

 

[avboiler11]

AKs are legal in Indiana?

AK pistols, yes.

 

[Willie]

AK pistols, yes.

The bill is about rifles and knowing Jack that was he was talking about too..

But excuse my ignorance on this but what deer legal caliber does the AK pistol come in?

 

[Mgderf]

Screw PA.
Tired of how everything is referenced from there, NY or Wis.


Ruger came out with the .44 auto when? In the freakin' 60's..................must have some market for it.
Sure as heck wasn't Indiana deer huntin'. Or PA with their progressive thinking of no semi autos allowed.

When did Browning do their 92 in .44 mag? Or Winchester 94?

And that .30-06 for squirrel in trees nonsense.................horrible attempt at an argument. Drop it.
Makes one look like a moron for even mentioning it, as if what is legal always makes up for common sense.

Remember, the majority of deer hunters are probably not gun people.
And the rules as written now are not hard to understand, nor is the progression of them to this point.

If one doesn't understand them...........well that's just more reason to NOT allow reg HP rifle.
Not confusing at all.

If one simply doesn't like them, that's a different matter.

Well, I guess we should all thank our lucky stars that we have reasonable people like you fo watch out for our dumbasses!

 

[d80hunter]

As far as a minimum magazine capacity law I don't see why anyone would want the extra weight of a 30 round magazine or need that many shots. To each is own but I consider it counter-productive. For my AR in 5.56 I got a 10 round magazine for coyote hunting and some 30 rounders for plinking or SHTF. Not to mention there is always some guy during gun season blasting away 4 or 5 shots and coming home empty handed. I couldn't imagine someone pulling that off with a 30 round magazine but that would definitely make me nervous if I came across something like that.

 

[avboiler11]

But excuse my ignorance on this but what deer legal caliber does the AK pistol come in?

7.62x39.

Handguns, other than muzzleloading, must have a barrel at least 4 inches long and must fire a bullet of .243-inch diameter or larger. The handgun cartridge case, without the bullet, must be at least 1.16 inches long. Full metal-jacketed bullets are not permitted. The handgun must not be a rifle that has a barrel less than 18 inches or be designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder.

This is what allows a 300 Blackout AR pistol to be legal, but the same exact upper on a lower with a stock instead of a bare receiver extension is verboten.

 

[Expatriated]

Did this law pass? I hope so cause im in my treestand with my .308 right now.

 

[Woobie]

And how accurate are those AK pistols with 30 round mags?

My guess is that even with a trigger swap to good they'd be a 50 yard and in rig.
Pretty clunky they are.

There's a reason why you don't see a bunch of them in the woods.

Precisely. So the straw man the fear mongers are trotting out is completely unrealistic. If this were an attractive hunting weapon, it would be in use already.