2016 centerfire deer rifle push?

[Streck-Fu]

No, no it doesn't. The law allows it, but it's not a problem because, again, NOBODY DOES IT!

Meanwhile, people actually hunt with high powered rifles chambered with rounds that meet the state defined dimensions but somehow, it's a problem to permit calibers outside those dimensions.

358 Hoosier = Good.
358 Winchester = Bad. Deadly. Kills your neighbor 3 counties over bad.....


Is that your reality?

 

[Willie]

Meanwhile, people actually hunt with high powered rifles chambered with rounds that meet the state defined dimensions but somehow, it's a problem to permit calibers outside those dimensions.

358 Hoosier = Good.
358 Winchester = Bad. Deadly. Kills your neighbor 3 counties over bad.....


Is that your reality?

It is discrimination against poor hunters...

The .358 Hoosier costs mega bucks while the lowly .358 off the shelf rifle doesn't.

Hunting = rich man's game....

 

[Willie]

HB1231 just passed the House 94-0

On to the Senate next week.....

 

[Hookeye]

Yeah, the poor hunters............who drive 45K trucks, have quads and leases............who b*tch about dropping $300 for a CVA Scout.
Or better yet, want their shotguns bore sighted the night before the opener.
Or run some rifle/shotgun with see through rings and some POS scope.

If one wants to hunt within the regs there are platforms available. Marlin 35's used to collect dust. Not any more.
Rem 760/7600 in .35 Rem................GB used to have some. IN market (and who else?) has made them non-existent.

Prices have gone up too.

One need not go custom rifle. But even then, Savage rebarrelling isn't overpriced.
B&K and Just Hunt offer .358 Hoosier/similar ammo already assembled.

If one doesn't reload.

You wanna shoot 350 yards.............pay the price.

Hell, factory decent ammo for more standard rigs isn't cheap, probably ought to reload no matter what one chooses.

 

[tyrajam]

Meanwhile, people actually hunt with high powered rifles chambered with rounds that meet the state defined dimensions but somehow, it's a problem to permit calibers outside those dimensions.

358 Hoosier = Good.
358 Winchester = Bad. Deadly. Kills your neighbor 3 counties over bad.....


Is that your reality?

My reality is that stupid, illogical arguments irritate me. I get irritated by people in this thread saying shotguns are safer and never offering any evidence, because there isn't any. And it's embarrassing to hear the "30/06 for squirrel" argument because it makes our side look stupid. If you followed and read this thread instead of sniping you would see that I passionately support making deer rifles legal for deer hunting. And for the last 3 years I've been hunting with my savage 99f in 358 winchester with cases trimmed to 1.79"

 

[AGarbers]

Yeah, the poor hunters............who drive 45K trucks, have quads and leases............who b*tch about dropping $300 for a CVA Scout.
Or better yet, want their shotguns bore sighted the night before the opener.
Or run some rifle/shotgun with see through rings and some POS scope.

If one wants to hunt within the regs there are platforms available. Marlin 35's used to collect dust. Not any more.
Rem 760/7600 in .35 Rem................GB used to have some. IN market (and who else?) has made them non-existent.

Prices have gone up too.

One need not go custom rifle. But even then, Savage rebarrelling isn't overpriced.
B&K and Just Hunt offer .358 Hoosier/similar ammo already assembled.

If one doesn't reload.

You wanna shoot 350 yards.............pay the price.

Hell, factory decent ammo for more standard rigs isn't cheap, probably ought to reload no matter what one chooses.

You are very out of touch who most hunters are. I don't have a $45K truck, and I don't have a quad, and I have to plan for every purchase from a pair of work boots to car repairs, so yes, the difference between a family hand-me-down 30-30 and a $800 - $1400 rifle made strictly for hunting in Indiana is a huge burden. And I'm the common hunter. You sound like very much the elitist, much like French monarchy that liked to proclaim, "Let them eat cake."

 

[oldpink]

You are very out of touch who most hunters are. I don't have a $45K truck, and I don't have a quad, and I have to plan for every purchase from a pair of work boots to car repairs, so yes, the difference between a family hand-me-down 30-30 and a $800 - $1400 rifle made strictly for hunting in Indiana is a huge burden. And I'm the common hunter. You sound like very much the elitist, much like French monarchy that liked to proclaim, "Let them eat cake."

Ditto here
I'd love to know where my $45K truck is, too.
It must be hidden somewhere behind my $3K car.

 

[Streck-Fu]

Yeah, the poor hunters............who drive 45K trucks, have quads and leases............who b*tch about dropping $300 for a CVA Scout.
Or better yet, want their shotguns bore sighted the night before the opener.
Or run some rifle/shotgun with see through rings and some POS scope.

It looks like you are just finding excuses to be mad.

 

[Streck-Fu]

My reality is that stupid, illogical arguments irritate me.

It is not illogical to point out that the law restricting most HPR cartridges is pointless because HPR is permitted for small game. Whether people do it or not, is not the issue. The restriction for deer is baseless.

You'll have to excuse me for not catching every post in 19 pages.

 

[BigMatt]

My reality is that stupid, illogical arguments irritate me.

This argument actually tells us that the rifle caliber restrictions for deer aren't for human safety, but for herd population control. If it were for human safety, it would be illegal to shoot a HPR at any game in Indiana.

We now know that we can control the deer population with tags and the need for caliber restrictions (as they were originally intended) are un-needed.

Used in the right context, the argument stands up. Not trying to get in a pissing contest, I am just telling you how I think the argument makes sense.

 

[Willie]

LOL... I'm driving a 17 year old 4Runner.. It never was close to $45K..

No quad..

I deer hunt with an old tube fed Ruger .44 carbine or an 870 or a TC Omega, or my Horton crossbow although the Omega hasn't seen action in years due to limiting out before MZ season comes in. I guess I could sell all my hunting tools and buy a high dollar Indiana legal custom rifle.. Oh, fixed income 20 year retiree too..



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[Hookeye]

Deer hunting tends to concentrate hunters.
Small game and varmints has them more spread out, or moving through and then hunting elsewhere.

 

[Hookeye]

Willie,

At least you got a retirement.
I won't.
Trimmed .35 Rem didn't break the bank.
But then the last vacation I had was in '95
Most of my money goes into my kids.
Have never been to a casino (wouldn't) or p*ss my funds on stupid stuff.

Consequently I could dump a K on a rifle any time.

BTW, My Jeep is 22yrs old. I do almost all repairs myself.
That gives me more cool gun money

I'd have more if not for thousands dropped in medical due to a family member's injury.
Pretty much worked overtime all last yr, to pay for that (after insurance).

If you want it..........you will find a way.
It's a lot easier to b*tch and rationalize.

BTW, Ruger autos are cool. You aren't undergunned with one. If anything the cool factor makes up for lesser range.
I'd be content with a .44 mag and a .35 Rem.

Hell if they did open the regs I might just run a 7mm TCU.
No extension of range over what I have.

200 yd limit works for the places I hunt, or even the one I might lease.
I have other rifles that would double that.

Bigger, heavier................the little light stuff is more fun to drag around.

 

[Hookeye]

You are very out of touch who most hunters are. I don't have a $45K truck, and I don't have a quad, and I have to plan for every purchase from a pair of work boots to car repairs, so yes, the difference between a family hand-me-down 30-30 and a $800 - $1400 rifle made strictly for hunting in Indiana is a huge burden. And I'm the common hunter. You sound like very much the elitist, much like French monarchy that liked to proclaim, "Let them eat cake."

I drive a 22 yr old Jeep and shoot a TC .35 Rem I pieced together from used components over 2 yrs.
Also sold guns for a few years, in a major manufacturing area..........where even the C avg grade HS clods make 80 to 100K with overtime.
Marlin lever guns, Ruger bolt guns, don't stay on gunshop shelves very long.
Sure a lot of people don't make that kind of money, and they buy the cheaper stuff.

But then those clowns usually smoke or drink or eat out every weekend, go to movies.

If you want a custom rifle, you can afford it. Rebarrling a Savage Axis costs what?

Game cameras, boats, vacations etc..................spend your money how you want.

BTW, I am an elitist, as I think your articles and arguments to be rather p*ss poor Mr Garbers.

 

[Hookeye]

Don't worry.
Bernie Sanders will make custom IN deer rifles affordable.

 

[Landon]

I've got a truck and a quad, but I still don't see what your point is or how that's relevant. Don't think I've ever complained about buying a gun. I don't know what character flaw you believe I have because I have a truck and a quad, but it seems like a pretty broad brush you paint with.

 

[avboiler11]

All sorts of reasons why the "common man" Hoosier can't hunt with the same dang rifles as people south of the Ohio River...none of them particularly good or compelling.

 

[BigMatt]

It isn't about the money. It isn't about the safety. It isn't about an ethical kill. It isn't about recoil.

I am the type of person who can't lay down and take it when there are laws out there that don't make any sense.

There are no valid arguments why the state says I can't shoot a deer with any HPR (large enough to do the job). No matter what Hookeye says, caliber restrictions weren't put in place because of safety - they were put there because of deer population control. Now people have translated caliber restrictions into a "Oh, but the children" argument.

If and when these restrictions are lifted, no more people will get shot by high powered rifles than any other deer hunting state out there. I won't say there won't be any shootings, but we will be on par with the rest of the country.

 

[AGarbers]

I drive a 22 yr old Jeep and shoot a TC .35 Rem I pieced together from used components over 2 yrs.
Also sold guns for a few years, in a major manufacturing area..........where even the C avg grade HS clods make 80 to 100K with overtime.
Marlin lever guns, Ruger bolt guns, don't stay on gunshop shelves very long.
Sure a lot of people don't make that kind of money, and they buy the cheaper stuff.

But then those clowns usually smoke or drink or eat out every weekend, go to movies.

If you want a custom rifle, you can afford it. Rebarrling a Savage Axis costs what?

Game cameras, boats, vacations etc..................spend your money how you want.

BTW, I am an elitist, as I think your articles and arguments to be rather p*ss poor Mr Garbers.

Wow...

A. I don't drink, smoke, or take recreational drugs.
B. If you don't like the articles that I post to help people on this board, don't read them.
C. Since your post attacking me was edited, I am curious what the unedited version looked like. Do you even realize the negativity and hatred for your fellow Hoosiers that oozes from your comments? If I understand your comments, folks that work in factories are poorly educated clods that are overpaid. Other folks that make less money all waste it on smoking, drinking, over-eating, or watching movies.

 

[Paul30]

Reg rifle scopes work fine on slug guns, if the eye relief is 3" or better.
Excessive eye relief will be met with lesser FOV.
Nothing is free.

Crappy mounts and or poor gun fit will bash even decent eye relief scopes against skulls.

Have seen horrible setups over the years. Still do.
On slug guns and reg rifles.

No wonder they wound themselves and sometimes the critters.

Ah, No. Shotgun scopes should be used on shotguns, and rifle scopes should NOT be used on shotguns. You can use a drill to hammer in a nail too, but it doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Check out Fact #4. Shotguns use pistol fast burning powder and shoot a heavy chunk of lead. The combination of a fast burning powder trying to push a heavy chunk of lead out of a barrel means you will get more of a very fast sharp recoil vs a lower recoil or a push. Many people have been bit by the rifle scope on a shotgun. It's just a bad idea. Most states use a normal rifle, so it isn't a problem. No one in their right mind would hunt with a shotgun for deer when a lower recoil much more accurate rifle is available. We are restricted by our law, and hopefully this law will change soon.

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