17 year old kid shot dead by Neighborhood Watch "Captain"

[jamil]

I already know all the facts that temper my opinion.
-Martin was doing nothing wrong initially
-Zimmerman didn't like the way Martin "looked" so he followed him
-Zimmerman didn't want to wait for the police so he got out of his truck
-Martin had no idea if Zimmerman was friend or foe, and attempted to evade him
-Confrontation ensues
-Martin Dead
-Dead men (sorry juveniles) tell no tales

Zimmerman's actions were dumb, and possibly quite legal, and yet someone lost their life. Someone commits a dumb legal act that directly, or incorrectly, causes someone to lose their life, I HAVE NO ISSUE with their life being henceforth ruined. I'm sure they are plenty of people that would rather have a ruined life than be dead.

Sue me, sometime the court of public opinion carries more weight.

And we're back where we started.

 

[strahd71]

this thread is like a zombie thread...... it just wont die

jake

 

[Kutnupe14]

And we're back where we started.

Lol, sorry

 

[printcraft]

this thread is like a zombie thread...... it just wont die

jake

Too soon for "thread needs a hoodie" joke?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Then we will expect the same sentiment if you or another officer ever makes a mistake in your official capacity and something bad happens. I wont be holding my breath though.

You don't need to hold your breath, if I do anything as remotely stupid as that, I will take lumps knowing I should have known better. If another officer does something so dumb, you won't find me supporting them either. Like having a gun, there's a common sense factor in having a badge. If one thinks that a gun OR badge grants them magical powers, then they probably shouldn't have either.

 

[strahd71]

Too soon for "thread needs a hoodie" joke?

funny i was thinking about posting a picture of skittles or something!

great minds think a like! prolly says a lot for me.... not so much for you

oh i better do a disclaimer the way everyone gets ass chapped on here i meant that i am prolly better off thinking like you than you thinking like me...... carry on



jake

 

[buckwacker]

You don't need to hold your breath, if I do anything as remotely stupid as that, I will take lumps knowing I should have known better. If another officer does something so dumb, you won't find me supporting them either. Like having a gun, there's a common sense factor in having a badge. If one thinks that a gun OR badge grants them magical powers, then they probably shouldn't have either.

By "lumps" do you mean a paid vacation until the internal investigation is complete.

 

[EvilBlackGun]

And then the sincere plea:

"Can't we all jus get along?" R.King. After it's all over.

Then we will expect the same sentiment if you or another officer ever makes a mistake in your official capacity and something bad happens. I wont be holding my breath though.

 

[figley]

I already know all the facts that temper my opinion.
-Martin was doing nothing wrong initially
-Zimmerman didn't like the way Martin "looked" so he followed him
-Zimmerman didn't want to wait for the police so he got out of his truck
-Martin had no idea if Zimmerman was friend or foe, and attempted to evade him
-Confrontation ensues
-Martin Dead

[STRIKE]You listed exactly one fact.[/STRIKE]

Ok, two facts. We know a confrontation ensued, because we have witnesses to the fact that two people were involved in some sort of altercation.

Looks like we have our own Detective Gilbreath here!

 

[Bond 281]

I already know all the facts that temper my opinion.
-Martin was doing nothing wrong initially
-Zimmerman didn't like the way Martin "looked" so he followed him
-Zimmerman didn't want to wait for the police so he got out of his truck
-Martin had no idea if Zimmerman was friend or foe, and attempted to evade him
-Confrontation ensues
-Martin Dead
-Dead men (sorry juveniles) tell no tales

Zimmerman's actions were dumb, and possibly quite legal, and yet someone lost their life. Someone commits a dumb legal act that directly, or incorrectly, causes someone to lose their life, I HAVE NO ISSUE with their life being henceforth ruined. I'm sure they are plenty of people that would rather have a ruined life than be dead.

Sue me, sometime the court of public opinion carries more weight.

1. You have no idea what Martin was doing. Considering the strong evidence of criminal activity we already have, it's at least plausible that he wasn't simply walking home from buying skittles.

2. Are you telling me that as a police officer you've never ever ever thought that somebody was acting suspicious and followed them a bit? Because if that's the case, you're a worthless cop. Or a liar.

3. Zimmerman's story (I think) is that he was looking for an address to give the police and none was visible from the street. Even if he got out to pursue Martin, there's still no evidence that he continued pursuit after the dispatcher said they didn't need him to follow Martin.

4. Martin may not have known Zimmerman's intentions, this is true. It is however a factual falsehood that he attempted to run away. Martin had time to run home like 5 times over before the confrontation. If he wanted to avoid the situation he had way more than ample time to evade Zimmerman and go home.

5. A confrontation ensued, but who started it? Was it 28 year old Zimmerman chasing down and catching up to the high school football player Martin? Lawl. Or rather, did Martin ditch Zimmerman, then come back to start a confrontation? Or some other combination. As far as Zimmerman's stupidity is concerned, this is a pretty ****ing vital bit of information that we don't know at all.

There are 5 really really really crucial bits of information that you assume you know as a fact. But you don't, and neither does anyone else. You're of course free to formulate a really harsh judgement on Zimmerman based upon speculation and one falsehood, but being free to do so doesn't make it not stupid.

 

[Kutnupe14]

[STRIKE]You listed exactly one fact.[/STRIKE]

Ok, two facts. We know a confrontation ensued, because we have witnesses to the fact that two people were involved in some sort of altercation.

Looks like we have our own Detective Gilbreath here!

Point by point, which facts are incorrect?

 

[Ted]

I already know all the facts that temper my opinion.

Edited​

I'm hoping that all the facts didn't come from the media.
​

Zimmerman's actions were dumb, and possibly quite legal, and yet someone lost their life. Someone commits a dumb legal act that directly, or incorrectly, causes someone to lose their life, I HAVE NO ISSUE with their life being henceforth ruined. I'm sure they are plenty of people that would rather have a ruined life than be dead.

Again, how do you know that his actions were "dumb"? The witness accounts, which are incredibly one sided, are fairly sketchy.

Oh, you are relying upon circumstantial evidence as reported by the press. Yeah, uncorroborated physical evidence can never be wrong.

Sue me, sometime the court of public opinion carries more weight.

This is why hearsay isn't admissible in sworn testimony, and due process is what it is.

 

[Bond 281]

Point by point, which facts are incorrect?

Look at my post and you'll see. They simply aren't facts. They're one of many possibilities.

 

[Expat]

Facts have no meaning when you have already decided that you WANT to ruin a man's life.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Facts have no meaning when you have already decided that you WANT to ruin a man's life.

Absolutely! Then, after being wrongly run through the mill, the best you will ever get from the .gov following malicious prosecution is 'oops'--and that is on a good day. Of course the media will absolutely never admit having been wrong, even after maliciously accusing, trying, and wrongfully convicting people in the court of public opinion.

 

[figley]

Point by point, which facts are incorrect?

Start about 1:05:00, that's after the family has testified via phone, and it's when Gilbreath takes the stand.

Zimmerman Bond Hearing Video

 

[Hop]

Florida's history on granting immunity for stand your ground does not look good for GZ. This article says it's only happened 9 times. But 9 times out of what it doesn't say.

Short read from earlier this month - ANALYSIS-Zimmerman's challenge in citing Stand Your Ground

 

[bobzilla]

Point by point, which facts are incorrect?

Here you go. Apparently reading isn't your strong suite.

1. You have no idea what Martin was doing. Considering the strong evidence of criminal activity we already have, it's at least plausible that he wasn't simply walking home from buying skittles.

2. Are you telling me that as a police officer you've never ever ever thought that somebody was acting suspicious and followed them a bit? Because if that's the case, you're a worthless cop. Or a liar.

3. Zimmerman's story (I think) is that he was looking for an address to give the police and none was visible from the street. Even if he got out to pursue Martin, there's still no evidence that he continued pursuit after the dispatcher said they didn't need him to follow Martin.

4. Martin may not have known Zimmerman's intentions, this is true. It is however a factual falsehood that he attempted to run away. Martin had time to run home like 5 times over before the confrontation. If he wanted to avoid the situation he had way more than ample time to evade Zimmerman and go home.

5. A confrontation ensued, but who started it? Was it 28 year old Zimmerman chasing down and catching up to the high school football player Martin? Lawl. Or rather, did Martin ditch Zimmerman, then come back to start a confrontation? Or some other combination. As far as Zimmerman's stupidity is concerned, this is a pretty ****ing vital bit of information that we don't know at all.

There are 5 really really really crucial bits of information that you assume you know as a fact. But you don't, and neither does anyone else. You're of course free to formulate a really harsh judgement on Zimmerman based upon speculation and one falsehood, but being free to do so doesn't make it not stupid.

You stated a bunch of OPINIONS that you are passing out as FACT. There's a big difference.

But then this says it all:

Facts have no meaning when you have already decided that you WANT to ruin a man's life.

I mean, you've already made up your mind that man must pay. Didn't need a jury, a judge or even a case. You're judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one. Just reminds me how ****ed up Carmel's finest truely are.

 

[HICKMAN]

I said a few weeks ago Zimmerman should sue the crap out of all of them.

BAZINGA!

Zimmerman's Lawsuit Against Al Sharpton, NBC, and the Martin Family Attorneys - Wausau Legal Education | Examiner.com

 

[Bunnykid68]

I said a few weeks ago Zimmerman should sue the crap out of all of them.

BAZINGA!

Zimmerman's Lawsuit Against Al Sharpton, NBC, and the Martin Family Attorneys - Wausau Legal Education | Examiner.com

Pretty good read.