steveh_131
Grandmaster
Welcome to INGO.
It helps to understand that this the INGOtarian Science guru:
I challenge you to cite a single instance where I have ever quoted Jenny McCarthy or referenced her as an authority on any matter.
Welcome to INGO.
It helps to understand that this the INGOtarian Science guru:
we cannot create a laundry list of specific things that will warrant DCS intervention.
I challenge you to cite a single instance where I have ever quoted Jenny McCarthy or referenced her as an authority on any matter.
And it includes not providing things to your children, such as food, a clean house, warm clothing.
It is the internet. We can argue about everything. But, to be intellectually honest, we cannot create a laundry list of specific things that will warrant DCS intervention. That is the truth of what KF is saying. The system is set up to provide due process. That system must be flexible enough to handle the infinite variety of human neglect, depravity, and abandonment.
I do not agree that you can blame every sickness on the lack of a coat.
You are the only INGOtarian now? So noted.
Now you are telling me I need to clean my place up, sheeeeeshh, when will it stop?
Just illustrating how full of it you are.
Full of knowledge which I have offered to extend to you. But seemingly all you want to do is demonstrate your ignorance of science.
Not really. The system has rules, checks and balances. Is it foolproof? No. Fools are too ingenious.A system this flexible will also necessarily be flexible enough to take children away from good parents as well.
I do not disagree. Frankly, I think they are related. But, my sense is that you are approaching the problem from the perspective of a good parent worried about the state overreaching and meddling in a reasonable decision. That is not what the system (as I am familiar with it) is designed to do, and not how it operates in reality.Just as I am unwilling to remove our 2A liberties for the sake of 'the children', I am also unwilling to remove our medical liberties. I would even argue that they are more important.
My friend, with all respect, that rarely works. It is a miracle when it does, for sure. In my personal case, frankly, those acts of love and kindness simply delayed the inevitable.There are other avenues for helping children in need. Kid needs a coat? Buy him one. Kid needs food? Give him some. Kids parents suck? Invite them to church. Get involved in their lives. Guide them to some help.
Ok, so you arrest both parents. Where do you put the kids? How many times do you put the kids back with the parents after they are released?Kids are actually being abused? Prosecute the parents, I have no problem with that. If a jury decides that it is legitimate abuse, ok.
All the time? Without any gray area?1Kidnapping the children before any real justice can take place is unacceptable. Forcing medical procedures on them is unacceptable.
The ungodly tyranny of reality is crushing for INGO.
Not really. The system has rules, checks and balances. Is it foolproof? No. Fools are too ingenious.
As I understand it, the logical conclusion of your argument is to deny ALL state intervention. Which would essentially abandon hundred or thousands of kids to a brutality that is inhumane. And I'm not really being alarmist or exaggerating.
If I misunderstand your argument, I welcome your clarification.
I do not disagree. Frankly, I think they are related. But, my sense is that you are approaching the problem from the perspective of a good parent worried about the state overreaching and meddling in a reasonable decision. That is not what the system (as I am familiar with it) is designed to do, and not how it operates in reality.
My friend, with all respect, that rarely works. It is a miracle when it does, for sure. In my personal case, frankly, those acts of love and kindness simply delayed the inevitable.
Ok, so you arrest both parents. Where do you put the kids? How many times do you put the kids back with the parents after they are released?
All the time? Without any gray area?
So a child with bacterial meningitis is left to die because the parent thinks it will pass?
Again, I truly mean no disrespect, but I sense that you have not experienced how bad some parents can be. Apologies if I am incorrect in that.
Please, educate me further. I have an entire garden to fertilize next spring.
Yes, reality is sooo boring to the INGOtarian set.
A system this flexible will also necessarily be flexible enough to take children away from good parents as well.
Just as I am unwilling to remove our 2A liberties for the sake of 'the children', I am also unwilling to remove our medical liberties. I would even argue that they are more important.
There are other avenues for helping children in need. Kid needs a coat? Buy him one. Kid needs food? Give him some. Kids parents suck? Invite them to church. Get involved in their lives. Guide them to some help.
Kids are actually being abused? Prosecute the parents, I have no problem with that. If a jury decides that it is legitimate abuse, ok.
Kidnapping the children before any real justice can take place is unacceptable. Forcing medical procedures on them is unacceptable.
I have no idea what a CHINs is and would like to know now.
Tell me more about usufruct property.
It gets me so hot