17-year-old CT girl taken from mother, forced to endure unwanted chemotherapy

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.....My daughter hates coats. Kirk, may I allow her to get in the car in the cold garage without one, and then wait for the car to warm up? Or will you call DCFS? ....

That's dangerous, Carbon Monoxide is a silent killer.

[video=youtube;9PHNAHmXORA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PHNAHmXORA#t=11[/video]

 

[steveh_131]

That's dangerous, Carbon Monoxide is a silent killer.

The door is open, but still. You better go ahead and call the cops on me. Just to be safe.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

That's dangerous, Carbon Monoxide is a silent killer.

Pffft, applying INGO logic, all one has to do is not believe in it and it won't kill you.

INGO: where the operating theory of the law and science comes from science fiction. Can't we just call this place "Spectre of the Gun"?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The door is open, but still. You better go ahead and call the cops on me. Just to be safe.

Your daughter was hurt?

 

[steveh_131]

Your daughter was hurt?

She has had bronchitis before.

I don't blame you for not wanting to defend your position. I wouldn't want to, either.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

She has had bronchitis before.

Ok, and so?

If your running the vehicle in the garage did not hurt your daughter why do you think DCS would be involved? Is running the car in the garage just a stalking horse for something else you are worried about?

 

[Bunnykid68]

Not a sob story. It's what happens. Some people suck at parenting.

Perhaps you are in the wrong line of work. You could go to school and defend those who abuse their children. You'd do great!




Not accepting your homework assignments.

But if you don't believe me, just go ahead and send your daughter to school without a jacket. You'll find out for yourself what happens.

My kids have done that a lot in the past, I never got a phone call about it

 

[Kirk Freeman]

My kids have done that a lot in the past, I never got a phone call about it

Were they hurt by their lack of jacket?

Did they just not take it, or did you sell their jackets for drugs?

 

[steveh_131]

Ok, and so?

Kids get sick because they get cold, right? And since I have let her get chilly, one must have caused the other, right?

So if your child has been sick and you have let them be cold, guilty!

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So if your child has been sick and you have let them be cold, guilty!

Really? What are you guilty of?

 

[steveh_131]

Really? What are you guilty of?

Whatever criminal act you are accusing the lady of in your little story.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Whatever criminal act you are accusing the lady of in your little story.

Crime? CHINS is not a criminal action.

So this is what it was, as always? Complete misunderstanding was to what transpires in court.

Do you understand what a CHINS is? Do you understand the legal standard? I can teach you.

 

[steveh_131]

Crime? CHINS is not a criminal action.

So this is what it was, as always? Complete misunderstanding was to what transpires in court.

Do you understand what a CHINS is? Do you understand the legal standard? I can teach you.

As usual, I am discussing the spirit of the law and you are discussing the minutiae.

This is your usual tactic when you fail to defend your arguments.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

As usual, I am discussing the spirit of the law and you are discussing the minutiae.

Spirit of the law? Is that in the penumbra? O Great Spirit, what is thy name?

What "spirit of the law" nonsense are you referencing?

This is your usual tactic when you fail to defend your arguments.

What argument am I making? I told you what can happen and you want to reject reality, like a good INGOtarian, and make a fool of yourself about warm clothing.

I am not arguing anything other than telling you about a far off, and distant to INGO. land called reality.

You still don't understand CHINs, do you?

 

[Bunnykid68]

Were they hurt by their lack of jacket?

Did they just not take it, or did you sell their jackets for drugs?

Sold them for gas money to get beer and ammo of course

The jackets, not the kids

 

[Bunnykid68]

You still don't understand CHINs, do you?

Hard to put pillow cases on without them

 

[ModernGunner]

Perhaps you will explain to me how a jacket will protect your nasal passages from cold air? Or your bronchials?

May be the first time... ever... anywhere... anyone has stated they don't understand why coats are worn in cold weather.

 

[T.Lex]

In an honest effort to rerail this thread, it is easy to pick on KF's single float in the parade of horribles. Whatevs. Let's argue about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

In my family, there are some cousins who came into this world in a seriously f'd up situation. Despite serious, loving efforts to help them, in different ways, they made seriously bad choices. One cousin in particular became hooked on a variety of drugs and had a couple kids. DCS got involved at the request of one of our relatives - one that knew the true depth of the deplorable conditions and treatment. A long time... like years... passed and eventually the parental rights were terminated.

It was not easy. It should not be easy.

My cousin was given every opportunity, a multitude of second chances to make better choices. It was the kind of thing that would get press coverage if it went just a little differently. Within the family, there was talk of adopting the kids, but it really wasn't workable. They were eventually adopted by a wonderful, loving couple. Hopefully, this new generation will have a better chance than their parent did.

I share this as an example of how the system works. The system - at least based on my personal and professional experience - in Indiana is not like what is happening in the OP.

It is the internet. We can argue about everything. But, to be intellectually honest, we cannot create a laundry list of specific things that will warrant DCS intervention. That is the truth of what KF is saying. The system is set up to provide due process. That system must be flexible enough to handle the infinite variety of human neglect, depravity, and abandonment.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

May be the first time... ever... anywhere... anyone has stated they don't understand why coats are worn in cold weather.

Welcome to INGO.

It helps to understand that this the INGOtarian Science guru:

 

[steveh_131]

What argument am I making? I told you what can happen and you want to reject reality, like a good INGOtarian, and make a fool of yourself about warm clothing.

I am not arguing anything other than telling you about a far off, and distant to INGO. land called reality.

You still don't understand CHINs, do you?

Nobody here is arguing about what will happen. We all know that statists like yourself will take our kids away at the drop of a self-righteous hat.

We are arguing about what should happen. If you are not arguing that these things we're discussing should happen then we are in complete agreement.

May be the first time... ever... anywhere... anyone has stated they don't understand why coats are worn in cold weather.

I do understand why. I do not agree that you can blame every sickness on the lack of a coat. Not with enough certainty to begin taking children from their parents.