10 Dead In Colorado Theater Shooting

[HICKMAN]

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - [STRIKE]Mike Tyson[/STRIKE] George Zimmerman

FIFY

 

[griffin]

"Why" does this appear to a more frequent occurance in the US vs other first world nations?

Here’s some gun violence in Europe where gun control is more restrictive than the US. You can google more if you want.

2011 Norway 69 killed at a camp by 1 man
2010 England Derrick Bird shot twelve people to death and wounded eleven others in the northwestern county of Cumbria
Naples, Italy, Sept. 18, 2008: Seven dead and two seriously wounded in a public meeting hall.
Kauhajoki, Finland, Sept. 23, 2008: Ten people shot to death at a college.
Winnenden, Germany, March 11, 2009: A 17-year-old former student killed 15 people, including nine students and three teachers.
Lyon, France, March 19, 2009: Ten people injured when a man opened fire on a nursery school.
Athens, Greece, April 10, 2009: Three people killed and two injured by a student at a vocational college.
Rotterdam, Netherlands, April 11, 2009: Three people killed and one injured at a crowded cafe.
Vienna, Austria, May 24, 2009: One dead and 15 wounded in an attack on a Sikh temple.
Espoo, Finland, Dec. 31, 2009: Four people shot to death at a mall.
Madrid, Spain, Oct. 1, 2006: A man killed two employees and wounded another at a company that had fired him.
Emsdetten, Germany, Nov. 20, 2006: A former student murdered eleven people at a high school.
Tuusula, Finland, Nov. 7, 2007: Seven students and the principal killed at a high school.
2002 high school in Erfurt, Germany, where 18 were killed.
1996 Dunblane, Scotland, where 16 kindergartners and their teacher were killed.
1999 15 dead, happened in Winnenden, Germany. 1990s eleven murdered, occurred in Emsdetten, Germany.
Zug, Switzerland, Sept. 27, 2001: A man whose lawsuits had been denied murdered 14 members of a cantonal parliament.
Tours, France, Oct. 29, 2001: Four people were killed and ten wounded when a French railway worker started shooting at a busy intersection.
Nanterre, France, March 27, 2002: A man killed eight city-council members after a council meeting.
Erfurt, Germany, April 26, 2002: A former student killed 18 at a secondary school.
Freising, Germany, Feb. 19, 2002: Three people killed and one wounded.
Turin, Italy, Oct. 15, 2002: Seven people killed on a hillside overlooking the city.

 

[HICKMAN]

Every single movie theater I've been in, you can't kick the emergency exit open as that isn't how the door works.

they said he bought a ticket, when in the theater and propped the door open.

 

[CarmelHP]

Smells rotten to me too. Different news stations tells different stories. He dress' like the character "Bane" but says he was "the Joker".

Well, we don't really know what he called himself, some half-educated, sit on his brains all day brasshat in NYC claimed this. As reported, "he painted his hair red, called himself "The Joker," the green-haired villain from the Batman movies, according to New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, who said he had been briefed on the matter." That sentence is self-contradictory. I imagine Kelly might be as competent as Commissioner Gordon from the old TV Batman series.

 

[manwithnoname]

So what will big brother do next?

TSA style pat downs and searches before going into theaters and malls?

Installation of DHS at theaters and malls?

Further curtailment of individual liberty?

Big brother never lets a crisis go to waste.

 

[cobber]

So what will big brother do next?

TSA style pat downs and searches before going into theaters and malls?

Installation of DHS at theaters and malls?

Further curtailment of individual liberty?

Big brother never lets a crisis go to waste.

And many nitwits will feel safer as a result. Welcome to Pyongyang!

 

[shotgun0311]

This is why I carry prayers go out to their families.

 

[Double T]

Here’s some gun violence in Europe where gun control is more restrictive than the US. You can google more if you want.

2011 Norway 69 killed at a camp by 1 man
2010 England Derrick Bird shot twelve people to death and wounded eleven others in the northwestern county of Cumbria
Naples, Italy, Sept. 18, 2008: Seven dead and two seriously wounded in a public meeting hall.
Kauhajoki, Finland, Sept. 23, 2008: Ten people shot to death at a college.
Winnenden, Germany, March 11, 2009: A 17-year-old former student killed 15 people, including nine students and three teachers.
Lyon, France, March 19, 2009: Ten people injured when a man opened fire on a nursery school.
Athens, Greece, April 10, 2009: Three people killed and two injured by a student at a vocational college.
Rotterdam, Netherlands, April 11, 2009: Three people killed and one injured at a crowded cafe.
Vienna, Austria, May 24, 2009: One dead and 15 wounded in an attack on a Sikh temple.
Espoo, Finland, Dec. 31, 2009: Four people shot to death at a mall.
Madrid, Spain, Oct. 1, 2006: A man killed two employees and wounded another at a company that had fired him.
Emsdetten, Germany, Nov. 20, 2006: A former student murdered eleven people at a high school.
Tuusula, Finland, Nov. 7, 2007: Seven students and the principal killed at a high school.
2002 high school in Erfurt, Germany, where 18 were killed.
1996 Dunblane, Scotland, where 16 kindergartners and their teacher were killed.
1999 15 dead, happened in Winnenden, Germany. 1990s eleven murdered, occurred in Emsdetten, Germany.
Zug, Switzerland, Sept. 27, 2001: A man whose lawsuits had been denied murdered 14 members of a cantonal parliament.
Tours, France, Oct. 29, 2001: Four people were killed and ten wounded when a French railway worker started shooting at a busy intersection.
Nanterre, France, March 27, 2002: A man killed eight city-council members after a council meeting.
Erfurt, Germany, April 26, 2002: A former student killed 18 at a secondary school.
Freising, Germany, Feb. 19, 2002: Three people killed and one wounded.
Turin, Italy, Oct. 15, 2002: Seven people killed on a hillside overlooking the city.

You forgot chicago.

 

[cobber]

Here’s some gun violence in Europe where gun control is more restrictive than the US. You can google more if you want.

But the UN treaty will take care of that, right?

And probably Syria as well. (Assad breathes a sigh of relief as the blue berets take arms away from the rebels.)

 

[Blackhawk2001]

It's not a question of simply not being ratified. It's a question of being affirmatively rejected.

When the President signs a treaty, it immediately goes into effect. It doesn't strictly speaking need to be ratified by the Senate and if it's never brought up for a vote, which Reid will not do because he knows he doesn't have the votes for it, then the treaty's status remains in that limbo, but limbo though it be, it'll still be marching toward implementation and enforcement.

A lot of damage can be done to our rights between Obama's pen and Romeny's inauguration with a Republican majority in both houses of Congress when the ATT can get its just repudiation.

Best for the ATT to never see the light of day, or the dark of Obama's pen.

I've heard this point brought up and dismissed by a lawyer. Don't know if it was brought up here earlier & addressed by one of our resident barristers or if I heard it on the Garrison show. The Kyoto Treaty is an example of a Treaty signed by the President which was never ratified, and thus, never came into effect here in the US.

 

[CSORuger]

Another sad day in America

Another sad day in America

Bill O'Reilly has a good time line and comments about the shooting.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I think the speculation that this was an FBI 'setup' is just a bit premature. There is contrary information that Holmes is affiliated with an anarchist group involved in OWS. That would more easily explain his mindset, methods (and madness) as well as provide a clue about funding (if he didn't do it all on credit) and his apparent ability to booby-trap his apartment with an array of sophisticated devices. Another possible explanation: The Anarchist's Cookbook is still around and Holmes is, by all accounts, a very intelligent person with an affinity for the internet; he could have planned all this himself and located/acquired everything he needed on the internet. Also, I read that he didn't empty his drum magazine - apparently he had a jam (imagine that) and either didn't bother to clear it, or didn't know how.

 

[jedi]

Also, I read that he didn't empty his drum magazine - apparently he had a jam (imagine that) and either didn't bother to clear it, or didn't know how.

Are all drums like that? Someone brought one for an AK (75 rd I think) last year to our NWI Meet & Shoots and it fired 20 rounds before jamming. They got it working again and again 20 or so rounds and then jam.

I've also seen it with the drums for the 10/22 that jams as well. I'm a n00b on the drums but it seems that the more ammo in a drum the higher the failure rate vs a magazine with 10/20/30 or 40.

 

[ryknoll3]

Are all drums like that? Someone brought one for an AK (75 rd I think) last year to our NWI Meet & Shoots and it fired 20 rounds before jamming. They got it working again and again 20 or so rounds and then jam.

I've also seen it with the drums for the 10/22 that jams as well. I'm a n00b on the drums but it seems that the more ammo in a drum the higher the failure rate vs a magazine with 10/20/30 or 40.

The drums are definitely less reliable than standard box magazines. The Beta-mag comes with graphite lubricant. It needs more maintenance and care than a regular magazine. Anything with more moving parts and more complexity is going to be more prone to failure.

 

[CathyInBlue]

You forgot chicago.

Since when is Chicago in Europe?

 

[CX1]

Since when is Chicago in Europe?

Well I took it as;
The way Chicago treats personal liberty they act like they are not part of the USA.

Could though I suppose be making the point that more shootings of 3 or more people at a time happen in Chicago then all those other places combined.

 

[CarmelHP]

Another sad day in America

Bill O'Reilly has a good time line and comments about the shooting.

Did anyone notice that the massacres mentioned all occurred in "gun-free zones" otherwise known as "victim disarmament areas."

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Did anyone notice that the massacres mentioned all occurred in "gun-free zones" otherwise known as "victim disarmament areas."

This is a point we should be screaming about over and over and over. (Well, maybe not screaming, but pointedly calling attention to it; then contrasting it with the Florida computer cafe defense.)

 

[Valvestate]

Read this elsewhere:

"Gut instinct - Something huge will happen elsewhere today and this story dominating all the news, will be the distraction that takes attention away from it. Other things are not being reported right now. What's going on outside of the shooting?"

Good point ^.

Makes sense. It would be just like how ACTA snuck around while everyone was watchin SOPA and PIPA.

 

[Expat]

Witness: Someone let gunman inside Colorado movie theater | wkyc.com

If true then there is a lot more to this than we have heard so far.