Why Do So Many On INGO Hate HOA's?

[Ingomike]

FIFY

I forgot my pledge to help us to 94 today!

That’s nothing, I got it to 95…

 

[foszoe]

test

95!!!

 

[foszoe]

That’s nothing, I got it to 95…

so we can rest until tomorrow and go for 96?

 

[Fletch]

I am glad we live in a free country and you have that choice, and I would fight to preserve that choice. I would hope other freedom loving folks would do the same for those that want an HOA…

Should be obvious that I don’t care what you do, even if you’re my neighbor.

 

[phylodog]

Yep, the good people sometimes need the assistance of the courts to get liars to perform their promises.

Oh, it’s the courts. I see, not the government but the courts.

Someone else wanna say it?

 

[jamil]

Yep. Already acknowledged that…

Mike: “But it’s the lawyerz!”

Also Mike: “The lawyer on my side said the law dint apply to my heroes, the HOA. So there.”

 

[jamil]

There is absolutely no government involvement in a private HOA. A private business agreement between consenting adults is not government. The only time government is involved is if there is a breech of the contract and one party has to sue the other to perform as they agreed to.

Why the need to redefine a private contract?

That’s ridiculous. Contracts have no meaning, good or bad, without the power of government.

 

[Ingomike]

Should be obvious that I don’t care what you do, even if you’re my neighbor.

Good. Then you don’t care if me and my neighbors have an HOA? You don’t care if I set up my land to have a HOA? You believe landowners should have the right to set deed restriction, covenants, and create HOA’s? Many here want to take those rights away from landowners.

 

[Ingomike]

That’s ridiculous. Contracts have no meaning, good or bad, without the power of government.

So now contracts are bad.

 

[Fletch]

Good. Then you don’t care if me and my neighbors have an HOA? You don’t care if I set up my land to have a HOA? You believe landowners should have the right to set deed restriction, covenants, and create HOA’s? Many here want to take those rights away from landowners.

It makes me sad but it’s none of my business

 

[Creedmoor]

Oh, it’s the courts. I see, not the government but the courts.

Someone else wanna say it?

Well yes, because the courts are not another agent of the government.

 

[Ingomike]

You guys keep digging and digging, it’s getting hard to see you down in the hole. First taking landowner rights was freedom, now contracts are the heavy hand of evil government. !

 

[phylodog]

It’s called reality. Try it some time, it’s refreshing and doesn’t require a bunch of dancing around and changing directions.

 

[Ingomike]

It’s called reality. Try it some time, it’s refreshing and doesn’t require a bunch of dancing around and changing directions.

Have you not said that the heavy had of government should make it illegal to sell land without the complete bundle of rights? How would you enforce that, oh yes, the courts.

 

[jkaetz]

You guys keep digging and digging, it’s getting hard to see you down in the hole. First taking landowner rights was freedom, now contracts are the heavy hand of evil government. !

Perspective my friend. We're likely at two ends of a tunnel.

If an HOA were genuinely an HOA then so be it but they are most definitely not. They're created unilaterally by lawyers for big companies and then handed to the homeowners. You know this, you want this, because you know that no group of homeowners would come together and actually properly agree on the restrictions that are handed down.

 

[Ingomike]

If an HOA were genuinely an HOA then so be it but they are most definitely not.

So some landowners be damned, only certain landowners can create an HOA.

They're created unilaterally by lawyers for big companies and then handed to the homeowners.

I doubt ANY HOA can be created without lawyers as it is a legal function. It is not ”handed” to homeowners they agree to it being a part of the deed when they buy and when the developer no longer owns a large percentage of lots it control I’d handed to homeowners.

You know this, you want this, because you know that no group of homeowners would come together and actually properly agree on the restrictions that are handed down.

If the HOS’s are as unpopular as you suggest why is it so hard?


The point was that taking landowner rights is taking freedom, and they are saying contracts are the heavy hand of evil government.

 

[jkaetz]

The point was that taking landowner rights is taking freedom, and they are saying contracts are the heavy hand of evil government.

No the point is why people don't like HOAs. Land owner rights are the way you frame HOA creation so that you can hit us over the head telling us that we're anti-freedom.

 

[firecadet613]

Man... the gang is almost all back here!

What do you think @foszoe, can you help get it to 100 pages?

 

[phylodog]

Have you not said that the heavy had of government should make it illegal to sell land without the complete bundle of rights? How would you enforce that, oh yes, the courts.

The law shouldn't need to make it illegal to sell land for a home without the right to park your truck on it. The problem is that the Karen's of the world have gotten away with it. Hell, most laws shouldn't need to exist, but they do.

I only popped back in to point out another of your fallacies. I'm not the one that made this claim.

There is absolutely no government involvement in a private HOA.

 

[foszoe]

So now contracts are bad.

All contracts are not bad but there are definitely bad contracts.